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Ads are another issue entirely, and aren't a problem right now. Rather, this is about Wikia enacting an undesirable change to our domain name, our identity as a site, for reasons that are dubious at best. So if you're gonna be pissed off, be pissed off about that, not about ads we don't even have. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 08:21, Oct 26

An object lesson from another Wiki We shouldn't get into Uncyclopedia Headless Chicken Mode. To view the article you must type in "Headless Chicken Mode" into the search box. Proxima Centauri 13:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Form a group to open negotiations with wikia

Score: 40.5

1. I'm all for that, seems to be the most valid option for the moment. ~ 10:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
2. Already arranged one. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)
3. All for it too. Just as long as we don't destroy this place. Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 10:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
4. Got it in one! We can do it! | King Joseph | Talk | 10:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
5. strong support--Sycamore (Talk) 10:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
6. For. No profit. Keep our skin. As much as my address bar not showing "Uncyclopedia.org" is, those are the issues. One or both of those will come up, eventually. Those things must get not, um, done. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 10:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
7. For - This would probably be the least painful direction to take (Bonner) (Talk) Oct 25, 11:01
8. For unionizing. If we're going to have a strike now and then, have it mean something.--<<>> 11:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
9. For - Seems like the way to go here. --iseditor.user ^Comments/_Criticism
10. Union! The Motherland will be proud. 13:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
11. For. If our hitcount has value, then we should ask for consideration in return for our creative efforts -- which is the reason for our hitcount. ----OEJ 13:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
12. For - imo

    Kingkitty ~Fuck you Brett~ ~Die in a fire Favre~

13. Sure. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 16:26, Oct 25
14. For - The exodus is hurting Uncyclopedia...--Knucmo2 17:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
15. For. Unionisation is always a good thing, if only because it annoys the Conservatives. RabbiTechno 18:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
16. Looks like the best way for now. -RAHB 19:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
17. FOR FOR FOR FOR FOR! The Linkifier!!!!!? 21:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
18. MEH --Trar (talk|contribs|grueslayer) 21:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
19. UNIONS!!! Hell yes! ☭» Comrade DJ Gentoo, defending the proletariat. FOR THE MOTHERLAND! 22:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
20. For. Although I still think a move is the best option, I don't think we could get enough donations to keep Uncyc alive outside of Wikia, unless we used Google Adsense. - UnIdiot | | Talk | Contribs - 23:32, Oct 25
21. For. ~Sir Rangeley GUN WotM UotM EGA +S (talk) 00:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
22. This --Sir DJ ~ Irreverent 00:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
23. lolocal WUT (Wikians United Together) 690A. - Admiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate 01:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
24. For Solidarity! B0nafideforgothispassword 02:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
25. Strongly For - If we are to remain a quality source of humour, satire, and criticism to our society, we must first start by not giving in to commercial support. I know it sounds really communist, but that is how Uncyclopedia is run, for the people by the people. Right now there are some issues in some articles, they are either not funny enough, etc. But adverts in Uncyclopedia is definitely not an option. In conclusion, we need to act and act fast. I prefer to sell T-shirts rather than resort to adult ads that will scare away people from a site that deals with problems in a comical fashion. A notable example of a site that features minimal advertising (one banner, that's it) is Newgrounds, it sells products such as t-shirts to mantain itself. Well, that was a long post. --The Hon Uncyclopedico KBE 02:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
26. For -- Style  Guide 07:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
27. For - I hate you guys, but I hate Wikia slightly more. —PongoV2(talk|cont) 10:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
28. For. I don't hold out a massive amount of hope for a positive outcome, but it's got to be tried. --UU - natter 10:56, Oct 26
29. For Anti-Schism cream.-- Sir Severian (Sprich mit mir!) 12:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
30. For. Makes the most sense, don't know why we'd try anything before this. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 17:21 Oct 26, 2008
31. For. --Mr. Monkey Pant-hoot here. 18:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
32. For ⇔ Sir Mon€¥$ign^STFU F@H|CM|+S 19:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
33. For I had no idea any of this wikia crap was happening. That's what I get for taking a break from uncyclopedia. I missed all the drama. No fair! --THE 22:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
34. For Seems like the most sensible option. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.219.161.24 (talk • contribs)
35. For. One dead admin spinning in his grave. ---Rev. Isra (talk) 04:40, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
36. Sort-Of For We should probably be looking for another host so that we have some sort of power in any negotiation. This seems like the best course of action to me though. Then, if the talks fall apart, seriously consider making a move. The Woodburninator (woodtalk) (woodstalk) 05:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
37. For. I agree with Wodburnitator. Let's look for other hosts as well. Proxima Centauri 08:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC) Liberapedia is having a new skin imposed. As I wrote there I suspect unpopular ads will come later. This isn’t funny at all. I have no idea what will happen here. Proxima Centauri 07:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
38. For. The idea has its merits, and I think that with the threat of moving to alternate hosting will at least make Wikia give us the time of day. Whether or not they'll do anything beyond that is up for debate. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 15:50, Oct 27
39. For Whatever it takes. Dame GUN PotY WotM 2xPotM 17xVFH VFP Poo PMS •YAP• 16:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
40. Fore! I feel that this is the best thing to do at the moment. If negotiations go too badly, moving may be good, but we need to try to negotiate. Marshal Uncyclopedian! Talk to me! 18:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
41. 4 Oh shit, I'm late. COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 18:26, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
42. ' PHWOAR!' It may or may not be a bit late for this. However, I'm for negotiations with them on what we want. In all fairness, though, it's just five letters and a period. And uncyclopedia.org redirects here anyways. So...Who cares? --SPY Administrator (Complain|I rock|In memoriam) HMRFRA WH 18:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
43. Vier Abso-frickin-lutely Midget 13:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
44. Sure Its not like I've done anything for ages. --Moneke 09:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
45. Fool Negotiations solve everything. --Greyweasel 05:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
46. WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!! I don't know what else ta say. --BlackSugaBabyGurl 01:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
47. WE SHALL NOT ACCEPT WIKIAS SURRENDER! NO NEGOTIATIONS!
48. Let's do that. It makes sense. Sire それは驚くばかりの性交である!! -4- (02:37 11-13-2008)

Who, then?

Yeah, basically the header. Who wants to get out there and negotiate? Volunteers, nominations, etc? - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 16:20, Oct 25

I'd say Mhaille and Codeine and two other users (meaning - non admins). More than that, and you're getting a demonstration rather than a negotiation. ~ 16:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Spang knows the technical side better than anyone, so I think (if this is the option) he should be invited also. MrN  Fork you! 16:35, Oct 25

How will these meetings take place, will there be an open (but exclusive) forum with lapdancers and booze here or will it mediated on an IRC channel or a direct forum at Wikia itself? - or something else entirely?--Sycamore (Talk) 16:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I have taken this discussion to another page, since we seem to all be for this.--<<>> 19:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Return to business as usual until (if at all) wikia places ads on the site

Score: 2

1. For. This is incredibly pointless, and reminds me of a student body president trying to lobby the school district for a 90-minute lunch. pillow talk 16:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
2. (Weak?) For. I just don't really see a problem, but then again I'm not quite active enough to be the most qualified person to discuss this. --Pentium5dot1|t~^_^~c 17:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
3. Neutral I don't want to encourage Uncyclopedia to self-destruct, but I don't like the domain name change. The Linkifier!!!!!? 21:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
4. What? I honestly have no idea what in the fuck this is on about...and I did my prior reading, so wikia is 5 letters after uncyclopedia.--Witt, of UNion Entertain me* 02:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Seriously look for an alternate hosting place, forming a group to run the project

Score: 32

1. We should create a not-for-profit organisation, called the Uncyclomedia Foundation. And we actually must run like a charity organisation. That way, we could stand alone as a website hosted by another website, not Wikia. Or as an alternative, sell ourselves to Wikipedia. | King Joseph | Talk | 10:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
2. Agreed. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)
3. {for}I agree with Mhaille and King Joseph. Look at Wikipedia. It had humble beginnings, right? WE CAN FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST WIKIA FOR VANDALISING OUR SITE Alexander the Great 13:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
4. Seconded once again, if the negotiations with Wikia crap out on us (Bonner) (Talk) Oct 25, 11:03
   • We can file a lawsuit against Wikia for vandalising our site and get some dosh. We'll pay our new sponsors with that money and PRESTO! New and improved Uncyclopedia! Alexander the Great 10:26, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
5. For. This isn't going to be the last time Wikia screws over Uncyclopedia. The question is where do we draw the line? Also for proper formatting of numbered lists. — Sir Manticore 11:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
6. This is directly related to the first option.--<<>> 12:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
7. Limited for. First, being not too cognizant, I would like to know what is involved. We need to get server space, with MySQL or PostgreSQL or whatever, migrate our database, load MediaWiki (not to be confused with WikiMedia), and set up the site. How big is our database, anyway? How do we insure that somebody does software patches and updates, and database maintenance and backups? A detailed plan would be very good to see at this point. Especially for those of us who are not really up on this kind of thing. ----OEJ 13:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
8. We centainly to find out more about what the alternatives are to Wikia. We may not leave Wikia. When we negotiate with Wikia we need to show them that we don't depend on them. If they know they haven't got us over a barrel that may make them more accomodating. If things stay bad with Wikia then we start looking seriously for somewhere else. Proxima Centauri 13:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
9. This is the way to go, if the first option doesn't work. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 15:10, 25 Oct 2008
10. Okay I'll vote for this one! No Wait. Yes this is the one.

    Kingkitty ~Fuck you Brett~ ~Die in a fire Favre~

11. For See soon to be created new header. Lieutenant THEDUDEMAN Dude ... Totally UOTM KUN GotA F@H 19:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
12. For The Linkifier!!!!!? 21:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
13. Only if the first one fails. --iseditor.user ^Comments/_Criticism 21:18, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
14. Conditional For if first option fails. Wikia provides speedy and (usually) reliable service, when it isn't being DDoS'd, but they've been gradually pushing a sharp stone up our asses with their Spotlights and Monacos and now domain name changes. I, for one, do not approve of sharp stones up my rear end. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 22:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
15. I know I don't approve of people forgetting to update the count. But yeah, we need better skins. So do most wikis. I'd gladly work on it if I didn't suck at web design. ☭» Comrade DJ Gentoo, defending the proletariat. FOR THE MOTHERLAND! 22:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
16. Strong For. If negotiations fail to give Uncyclopedia our independence as a site, under Wikia, to pursue the course of what is best for Uncyclopedia, we should be ready to go elsewhere. Uncyclopedia is worth it.~Sir Rangeley GUN WotM UotM EGA +S (talk) 00:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
17. Uncyclopedia in my native language, domain name and hosting is under Carlb’s control. In the worst day, about half day cannot access. I can foresee if Carlb no longer put time or money, about 35 non-Wikia Uncyclopedias might be close, or at least no technical support. (See List of Uncyclopedias.) So, Carlb’s one might not be a good choice for English Uncyclopedia in term of the stability. The only Uncyclopedia run on its own host is Korean Uncyclopedia. But I don’t know Korean, I cannot ask for their experiences. Talk to Wikia is a little bit waste of time. Once Wikia changed the domain name in its pleasure, it can put ads the next day like other Wikia’s Uncyclopedias. Prepare to move, or simply accept the ads. The domain name is sold to Wikia, do you think she would give the domain name back? To set up a non-profit Uncyclomedia Foundation might be the only choice, as profit-making Uncyclomedia Company means Uncyclopedians will ask for "profit back to me". But, money to run Uncyclomedia Foundation? Technicians? Managements? Only run English Uncyclopedia, or save all Wikia’s Uncyclopedias, or also reunion the Carlb’s? Using a common user list and everything ask staffs (like Wikia), or separated user list and decentralized authority (like Carlb’s)? Servers only in America, or also with servers in Europe and Asia? Business, not fun. --Hant (Talk) - For your safety, China Free! - 01:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

    

    Wikia is sadly having problems. Our backend servers are not responding. We are working to fix it as soon as possible. Fuck.wikia.com! --Hant (Talk) - For your safety, China Free! - 03:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

18. For.Being non-profit would be pretty awesome, as we'd be independent of wikia. It could be dedicated to free comedy. User:Tealwisp/sig 03:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
19. For.Wikia can piss-off, they take every "anyone-can-edit" database and slap thier gay crap all over it! have u seen some of the gay stuff they had! Naruto-pedia? If the right-wingers at conservapedia can have their own domain name without wikskeetia getting on them, then so should we. freakin NAZISSSS!!!--Crankybot 04:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
20. For. I'm willing to donate something - yearly - to a site that actually stays ad-free, or has to ask the supporting users about it, in principle and in practice. I'm not scared as much of the content of the ads but what may follow: control of content, based on advertisers' wishes. Such control is a joke killer. -- Style  Guide 07:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
21. Viva la revolution! —PongoV2(talk|cont) 10:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
22. Yes. At the very least, if we do this seriously, Wikia might start to take us seriously. Problem being, I don't see how we can manage it in a sustainable fashion for reasons of finance, support and space, and that's why Wikia think they're pretty secure in this. So if we can find a viable alternative, it would be great. Mind you, if I could shag Katherine Heigl, that's be great too. --UU - natter 11:02, Oct 26
23. FOR. A must. --Clorox MUN ONS (diskussion) ☃ 02:52, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
24. FOR. leaving wikia is our only chance at being taken seriously by wikia
25. Conditional For. If the talks between the Uncyclopedia Union and Wikia fall apart, I am all for seeking alternative hosting. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 15:52, Oct 27
26. FOR.Just out of curiosity, how big, in GB and bandwith, is uncyclopedia? These are indeed dark times, and may all those at wikia repent the day they went from benevolent to Malevolent.
27. FORE but once again, only if negotiations and the Uncyc Union (should we join the Teamsters?!?) fail to work. People come to this site for (mostly) qualtiy satire and humour, not to have their eyes assaulted with low quality ads. The .wikia was enough of a slap in the face. I agree with being serious to be taken seriously--I mean, we are serious about these sort of things--we're just the kind that like to insert little jokes :D Like RAHBs penis. Anyway, I think moving and being non-profit is really the only way to go, unless we can convince them we're more than just the occaisional tart. That's the ticket. The HRH MuCal. Tayor MUN (Praise!) (CMC!) 18:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
28. For What kind of bandwidth per month does Uncyclopedia generate? And, what is the size of the database? I have a server here in the UK that supports perl/php and I pay for 15GB of bandwidth. Once this is used I'm charged 5 pence per megabyte of bandwidth. I also have about 700MB of space. Saying this, it only costs me 9.34 squids per month and if you are prepared to share the cost I can upgrade to more bandwidth and space. This way, we will need no ads or any sponsers etc., and being a lover of satire I would be willing to help if I can. You can contact me offsite at andrew . sprott @ gamil . com --Muscipula 18:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
29. For And I know several people (including myself) willing to donate livers, kidneys, a lung, and their sexuality. Love,  
30. For Independence for Uncyclopedia: I have every belief that we can do without Wikia, with the right people. After all, this is an alternative to Wikipedia (Although I have to do with both!). --MarIANian... 11:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC) I've already voted to consider moving. This apeared at Liberapedia this morning. Liberapedia is being raped. Uncyclopedia is bigger and can fight back better. I'm tempted to change my vote and vote to move. Let's give Wikia a chance to respond though. Proxima Centauri 13:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
31. Yes, but only if Illogicopedia can come too. -- Hindleyite Converse 13:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
32. Four. Wikia have been bullying many wikis, like Illogicopedia and the creatures wiki. If all the big wikis did this prehaps they may pull up their socks. But I doubt it.--Rabies Turtle 16:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
33. Four, four-thirty in Newfoundland. It's apparent that inbound Alexa traffic stats indicate Wikia has been going downhill quickly since July or so, but do they have to take their frustrations out on us? --Carlb 17:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
34. For Fuck you, Wikia. Also, I'm still kinda on vacation. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 21:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
35. Tentative For If we were to control the whole site ourselves, it will definitely end up in a few more costs, for a couple staff dedicated to server maintenance and the like. But in the long run, having this large of a site on an owned server will be smart if you can mamnage to get good deals on hardwares.--169.139.222.5 17:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
36. NO! No, you idiots! Where will we get the money? Who will save us? WE'LL ALL DIE!   Le Cejak • <3:18 Nov 08, 2008>
37. Yes Remember what they did in Animal House:

D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: *Let’s do it*!
Yeah let's do it! --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 20:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

So what are the deadlines?

It looks like there are almost no votes for allowing the status quo to remain, but quite a few for making one last attempt to negotiate with Wikia? This begs one key question... what is the deadline beyond which we admit that Wikia is not willing to negotiate and we need to find a new home? End of this month? End of this year?

• I propose December 1, 2008; those of you who want to try talking to Wikia, try, and if no progress has been made then we begin installation of the wiki on the new host. --Carlb 19:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  • No Thanks. Considering that we haven't even started talking with Wikia, and your deadline is three weeks away, I think that we should take as long as we need. If and when the negotiations with wikia fail, we can discuss further measures. No deadlines please. ~ 21:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. What's the rush? We want to get this right. We are interested in all options at the moment. MrN  Fork you! 21:38, Nov 8

Discussions about RAHB's penis

• I hear he is circumcised. ~ 10:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
  • You didn't have to hear it. Unless your eyes weren't functioning properly. -RAHB 21:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• Will I get banned for talking about its penis? | King Joseph | Talk | 10:29, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• Only if you keep doing what you're doing. Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 10:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• Ew. -- Hi, hey! I'M A MOTERFUCKING NIGGER BITCH LOVER 15:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• It had your mom. Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 15:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• For Oh, wait, I think this is the wrong door. As the actress said etc etc... 22:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
• Page wouldn't load. - Admiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate 01:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
• This discussion is short and pointless. Just like etc etc... --UU - natter 11:03, Oct 26
• ...just like RAHB's penis. Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 11:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
• Hey - I've been on the site for just about a month. If there are no templates or tutorials for discussing RAHB's penis, I feel it is not right to discuss it here. AGAINST. -- Style  Guide 15:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Overruled! That's right, I'm the judge in this section. Want to see my "gavel"? -RAHB 18:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
    • • SUSPENDED! -- Style  Guide 20:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
    • In that case, we have to make one for it. Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 20:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
  • All of these things are fine and good...but does he have any TheoB type evidence to prove it?
• I'm pretty sure he doesn't even have a penis. Love,  

Also, I hear he's castrated. Any thoughts? The HRH MuCal. Tayor MUN (Praise!) (CMC!) 18:15, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

My cock is a glimmering tower-like tribute to all that is man, and all that is beef. You all are just jealous. Except Mordillo. He's more turned on by it. -RAHB 00:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

So, you're saying you only get it up for men? --UU - natter 14:59, Nov 3

Also for cheeseburgers. -RAHB 02:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Other comments

Wikipedia and Wikia are the same organisation. They are run separately. Can we sell ourselves to Wikipedia? Proxima Centauri 10:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

1. 1. If we choose to go independent we must see to it that our new host is safer than ScribbleWiki. Otherwise we could suffer the same fate as Liberapediapedia. I suggest accepting advertisements but limiting the numbers. If we bring in finance for Wikia they are more likely to value us. Proxima Centauri 10:55, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

All this is news to me. Yesterday there were really unpleasant advertisements. Reading and editing articles was difficult because prominent adverts were in the way and stayed when I scrolled the page. :Am I being paranoid? Could Wikia want to be rid of us? For at least a month there have been regular computer problems with Wikia. Far too often I find I can’t edit any Wikia wikis. At the top of the page is a notice saying that the site is closed to editing for maintenance.
Perhaps Wikia is growing too fast. They’ve decided to offload Uncyclopedia because Uncyclopedia is controversial and brings Wikia bad publicity. Then they can concentrate on getting the rest of Wikia running better. Perhaps their computers will function better if Wikia is smaller.

Perhaps Uncyclopedia is inconvenient for Wikia. Uncyclopedia has chosen its URL and skin. Then other wikis want the same freedom.

Should we tell Wikia that we are losing valuable editors? Give them any evidence we have. If they want to keep us they’ll change their policy to prevent that. If Wikia has become uncomfortable with us we have to leave. Wikia is too big. We can’t fight them. Proxima Centauri 11:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

They're not the same organization. ~ 10:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales and Angela Beasley are Wikia founders. See Jimbo Wales and Angela Beesley. The two are certainly connected. Jimbo and Angela are closely involved with Wikipedia and Wikia. That doesn't prevent us selling ourselves to Wikipedia. I'm not a business expert. I don't know how significant this is. Proxima Centauri 11:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

• Two points: 1.Wikipedia is run by Wikimedia which is a different group to Wikia. Might be same people - different organizations. Wikimedia - non profit. Wikia - profit. Second - I suggest everyone who are thinking about legal proceedings do drop that notion. First - at the moment the website is the property of wikia, unfortunately for us. They can do whatever they want with it. Second - who exactly is going to pay the lawyers fee? You Alexander? So let's stop talking nonsense and start thinking more creatively. ~ 15:03, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

We're a popular site. Many people come here. That means we're a profitable source of advertising revenue. I don't think we will have trouble financing ourselves if we leave Wikia provided we accept advertisements. Please check this with people who understand Internet business better than I do. Proxima Centauri 14:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry we will...--Sycamore (Talk) 14:39, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I suggest:- Look for alternatives. Negotiate with Wikia from a position of strength. If that fails see about going it alone. We may need to accept limited advertising if we stay with Wikia. I suspect our ability to generate advertising revenue is our strongest bargaining chip. Proxima Centauri 14:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It isn't, really; I may just not see them because of my .js, but I don't think we even have ads. Our most important function to Wikia is housing those 'wikia spotlight' things on the sidebar. I can't see them because of some .js I'm using, but I assume they're still there. They generate traffic for other Wikia wikis, which do have ads, unlike Uncyc. That's what we give Wikia. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 15:58, Oct 25

To clarify re Hant: "The only Uncyclopedia run on its own host is Korean Uncyclopedia. But I don’t know Korean, I cannot ask for their experiences." - um, no, nl: (Oncyclopedia) is also independent, they moved oncyclopedia.net to another server a month or so ago keeping the same domain name. No one noticed. Sites can do that when they have independent userlists and their registered domains aren't owned and controlled for-profit by outsiders. --Carlb 17:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Why would our opinion matter?

Seriously, guys, there's some hubris going on here. We hang out on Uncyclopedia because somebody put it up for us to do so. We don't pay anything for the privilege. And while we do some pretty high-quality writing, we're not employees of the site. We fall somewhere between "unpaid volunteer" and "guys sleeping in the park."

And, yeah, making "demands" of Wikia, who actually own this place, seems a little like marching up to the city council and saying "Replace the pine trees with oak trees in the park, or we're not going to hang out there anymore!" It's not a very interesting threat.

Frankly, if this place gets reskinned and cluttered with ads and starts to suck, I will go somewhere else and do something else with my time. Maybe I'll write that novel I've been thinking about writing for the last ten years or so.

Is that a threat? No. And why isn't it a threat? Because Wikia doesn't give a fuck. And why would they? They don't know who the fuck I am. "HEY, GUYS, DON'T RESKIN OR YOU WON'T BE HEARING FROM ME, A GUY WHO YOU DON'T KNOW" is the least intimidating sentence I could type without putting it in lowercase.

They'll do what they'll do, and I'll do what I do. I have better things to expend emotional energy on. Like the fact that I just got raped by the DMV during my sojourn to the DMV, and my ability to eat for the next five days has been called into question. It sort of makes the crusade over whether I maed a yuky doody will have an advertisement for Burger King next to it look pointless. pillow talk 16:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikia doesn't "own" anything. Uncyclopedia is a community. Uncyclopedia.org is a spoof of Wikipedia.org. Uncyclopedia is a non profit organisation. Wikia didn't set anything up, the site was set up and hosted elsewhere for well over a year. If there is any sense of "ownership" then it belongs to the community, Wikia originally stepped in to host the site, before Chron made an executive decision to sell the domain name to them. Other than that your main point is perfectly correct, we can all just leave if we don't like it. But the issue is we do like it, its ours, and a lot of us have spent a great deal of time making this site what it is today. No money involved. No reward. Not to make money for someone else. Just for the love of it.

We shouldn't be distracted by what Wikia may or may not do in the future, only what they are doing now. Nor should we be distracted by what they could have done, but out of the kindness of their hearts haven't. What they have done is made the decision to put their supposed "need" ahead of the wishes of the community. Until those wishes are listened to I for one won't be wasting my valuable time helping to increase their profitability. I have nothing against Wikia, but its need and ours are not the same thing. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Wikia does "own" the domain name however... That is their property. Without that it would be tricky to setup another "copy" of Uncyc. Although not impossible... MrN  Fork you! 17:51, Oct 25

What Mhaille says, more or less. Let's say someone with any means spends 5 hours a month editing Uncyclopedia. If the community decides to move, the same person would spend 3 hours in one month, 5 hours per month for the rest of the year - and somehow make for instance $40 during that spare 2 hours, to help finance the site. Money cannot be an issue, not with the number of people in the community. Other thing: the organisation, other than financially, would hardly need to be perfect at one go. Of course there would be loss of audience for some time (if there are serious lacks) - but with high quality writing such as often seen here, they would come back. In short: I'm all for moving at any time it seems necessary, being a noob and all. -- Style  Guide 08:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Some of are talented writers. We generate profit for Wikia. The adds they put in the corners of our pages help make the rest of Wikia profitable. If Wikia want to carry on getting profit that way they need to pay attention to what we want. Alternatively we can move to another website where we can get what we want. If Wikia doesn't like the bad publicity surrounding us we also need to move. We probably will get a response from Wikia on Monday. Proxima Centauri 17:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, on the subject of the domain name: Carlb has several domains similar to www.uncyclopedia.org that he reserved when Wikia bought the domain from Chronarion. He did this to give us somewhere to go if Wikia started dictating to us. Secondly, we must gain a position of strength from which to negotiate. I suggest taking the community elsewhere post-haste (thus the need to contact Carlb), then negotiate with Wikia to figure out how we'll get the username database together with the community again, either by moving the community back to Wikia=hosted www.uncyclopedia.org or buying the necessary things from Wikia via a non-profit Uncyclomedia Cabal. I mean, foundation. Anyway, this bickering is pointless. I'd be very surprised if Wikia paid any attention to our wishes until these things are done, given the disorganized nature of the past few days of protest.--<<>> 18:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Money issue

Well guys, this is more directed at the idea of finding new hosting. Several things have come to my mind.

1. We can function like wikipedia, based mostly on donations and what not. I know I'd be willing to donate some cash for this. What little I can spare being a high school student.
2. If I remember correctly, a while ago, someone tried to set up an uncyc store, for buying things for money. The idea was eventually terminated due to the fact that we couldn't figure out who got the money. In retrospective introspect, we could set up the store and have all profits benefiting paying for the site costs and whatnot, any left over could be given to charity or something, so as to be a true non-profit orginization.
3. Something...

Lieutenant THEDUDEMAN Dude ... Totally UOTM KUN GotA F@H 19:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

1. I came here because someone said that the site could close. Frankly Uncyclopedia is about being funny. A parody of Wikipedia is funnier if it has Wikipedia’s format with a few changes like the potato instead of Wikipedia’s logo. Wikia skins are good for some other sites like Fiction Wikia. Further wiki users are used to the Wikipedia format. It takes a few sessions to learn how Wikia format works. It isn’t something that’s really difficult to learn. Just some new users just might run off somewhere like Encyclopaedia Dramatica because that’s easier than working out where everything is with the Wikia format. Changing the skin isn’t funny. It’s just stupid. Proxima Centauri 19:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

   To the best of my knowledge, skin changes are not in our future. Sannse has said this many times, that Wikia recognizes our specific need to be a Wikipedia parody and won't change our skin on us. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 22:02, Oct 25

   You may want to take a look at [1] if you're questioning whether Wikia would deliberately force a pointless skin change on an unwilling community. That very question is open there now. --Carlb 21:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

2. ...And that's how I found myself here! Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 20:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Moving Versus Staying and a Little In-Between (A Summation of Sorts)

Why Move?

Obvious reasons, really. But it's not really about our being a Wikipedia parody and having the right website name is just an extension of that. Let's be honest here, we haven't been a true parody of Wikipedia for quite some time. I daresay we're far more advanced as a community than Wikipedia, plus the fact that we use all sorts of fancy gizmos, gadgets, and doodads to further advance our site into the future. So it's not (or shouldn't be) about that, really. In actuality, this is about how Wikia has continually recanted on its promises to us (Chronarion and the community as a whole) back when they bought us. They said we wouldn't experience any changes. They said it would be business as usual. And time and time again they have shown that, like so many celibate clergy, they just can't keep their hands off of us. This is just the final straw in a long line of injustices (if you want to get all melodramatic and such).

So if that's the real reason that we're pissed (which I think is fair to say), then what's the solution? Break free of the institution that binds us. Simple as that...if we get out of the hands of the people who keep tightening their grip, we can grow much stronger.

But How?

That's where the little snafu comes into play. We need money. Simple as that, we need money and enough of it to host over 23,000 articles, lots of DPLs and all sorts of other crap that will almost be guaranteed to asplode most servers. Unless we want to go the way of Encyclopedia Dramatica, then we will only enter into a self-reliant hosting situation if we're absolutely positive we can sustain it. I don't think we can make it on donations; our frequenters are much less wealthy and much less voluminous than those who use Wikipedia and click to give ten bucks.

So here's how I suggest we move: appeal to the (legitimate) Internet community and say "look, guys, we need help." Digg a request for money so many times that it simply must start looking good. Make a hilarious YouTube video "brought to you by Uncyclopedia." Get our name into the limelight and we will get people to help us out. The fact is, the site is too big to host ourselves...we need a sugar daddy. Let's try to find one.

• • We're far more controversial than Wikipedia. I don't like the Kitten huffing articles. I'm sure animal selfare charities don't like them either. Christians are very much against the anti Christian stuff that I write. We're a large popular website. We're expensive to run. Financing a site like ours without ads is diffcult. Many or most potential donors will disaprove of part of our content. Big donors will try to dictate policy. Financing Uncyclopedia with ads should be easy. Many users read ads on a popular site like ours. If ads are legal I think we should be more concerned about the type of ads we attract than whether or not to accept them. Proxima Centauri 12:24, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Why Stay?

Because moving is hard, plain and simple. If we stick around here, we'll get used to the name change. "Uncyclopedia.org" already redirects to where we are now, so for all intents and purposes we're still there. If we stick around here, we keep the (mostly) reliable hosting service that has sustained our massive growth these past two years. And if we stick around here, we don't need to do the amount of work required in the massive sitemove that would be entailed by going the other way. Imagining the logistics of that gives me a headache, and in all honesty I don't know how we could do it. What with our past history - as Mordillo has rightly pointed out - it's a miracle this forum hasn't already degenerated into more than a tiny penis joke.

For. staying. Not that you guys care what I think, but seriously: move? Jeez. Calm down.   Le Cejak • <23:54 Oct 25, 2008>

Why

aren't

you

panicking?! --Sir DJ ~ Irreverent 13:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

For. staying, as well, mainly for what Cajek's said. It'd be nice to get a guarantee that we're not going to have ads, but it's not like they've said that we will, necessarily. When we do, it's a whole different situation. For right now, we just have to tolerate an extra word in our domain name that really doesn't matter. No one visiting will probably even notice it. If we're getting hosted for free, what's the real damage in allowing wikia to advertise themselves a tiny bit? (It's a little irritating, but seriously, c'mon. Free hosting.) --Mr. Monkey Pant-hoot here. 19:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That Other Crap

Personal opinion: get the hell out of here, but only if we can do it effectively and permanently. The last thing I want to do is leave only to come crawling back realizing we didn't adequately prepare. The move will take time, money, and organization...can we actually do it? Unless we are guaranteed the ability to, I say stick around.

There's no harm in taking our time in moving is the main point I'm trying to make. In the meantime we're doing just fine here.~~ Sir Ljlego, GUN  [talk] 22:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Get attention through YouTube? Maybe it's time to revive The Uncyclopedia Movie- or at least make a trailer for it. I've started working on the script (for the trailer to the never-to-be-made movie) already. ☭» Comrade DJ Gentoo, defending the proletariat. FOR THE MOTHERLAND! 23:24, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It's done. Maybe I'll put it in my userspace tomorrow. ☭» Comrade DJ Gentoo, defending the proletariat. FOR THE MOTHERLAND! 00:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

For those interested, behold. ☭» Comrade DJ Gentoo, defending the proletariat. FOR THE MOTHERLAND! 00:59, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

For Fuck's Sake Isn't This Over Yet

• Strong argh – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 02:13 Oct 26, 2008

If we move we should not be dependent on one individual. I’ve seen the problems there were when WillH left Liberapedia. Wikia rescued Liberapedia. I suggest looking for cast iron, legally binding guarantees from Wikia that they won’t force a new skin onto us. I don’t see that a few discrete ads would be a problem. We need legally binding guarantees that ads will stay discrete. I’m not a lawyer. How do we get guarantees that bind in all the countries where Wikia operates? If we can’t get guarantees then moving is an option. We need a committee to run us. One individual like User:Carlb is problematic. Myself I’m involved with many wikis. Some are part of Wikia. Some are independent. I think Wikia has done a great deal for the Internet and for wikis. I also think it’s important that Wikia and Wikipedia which are run by the same team don’t get too much of a monopoly. Let’s work out what’s best for Uncyclopedia. Proxima Centauri 04:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Like I said above, sannse has made it clear that Uncyc, having the specific functionality of serving as a Wikipedia parody, will not be switched to any generic Wikia skin. This forum is, or should be, about only one thing: planning the New World Order the Uncyclopedia URL, and what to do about it. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 05:50, Oct 26

I say we teabag it, then tell it it's a fag. No, wait... The Woodburninator (woodtalk) (woodstalk) 06:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

lolTeabaggery - Admiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate 21:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

• The URL

I don’t see that the change to the URL matters all that much. It happened on October 8th. I’ve only just noticed it. When Liberapedia joined Wikia they wanted Liberapedia to have a Wikia skin as the default and also a Wikia URL. We compromised. Liberapedia has a Wikia URL but the default skin is like Wikipedia. I think for Uncyclopedia or Liberapedia that compromise is worthwhile. The advantages of not being dependent on one owner should outweigh this small cost. The problem is that this should not be the first of a series of times when Wikia forces changes onto us without consulting us.

• Advertisements

There have been problems at Liberapedia and Atheism Wiki there have been problems with advertisements that are against the principles of the site. I complained about Scientology Advertisements. I and various admins complained to different people on Wikia but it took a long time before anything improved. On Liberapedia and Atheism Wiki there is a problem with advertisements trying to convert users to Christianity. I think this is unfair because Christian Knowledge Base doesn’t have advertisements encouraging Christians to become freethinkers. After the trouble with the Scientology I didn’t think there was much point in trying to do anything about the Christian ads.
There are plenty of advertisements which shouldn’t be a problem at Liberapedia, Atheism Wiki or Uncyclopedia. For example there are websites that help gay people or straight people to find loving partners on the Internet. I suggest we go back to Wikia and ask for guarantees about the types of advertisements which will appear here should there ever be advertisements on Uncyclopedia. Proxima Centauri 10:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Excuse my interruption, but "On Liberapedia and Atheism Wiki there is a problem with advertisements trying to convert users to Christianity." is possibly the funniest thing that I've ever read (where "ever" means "today, on this page, in this section, just above this comment"). Now that's targeted advertising. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 19:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Simple - Uncyclopedia = Non Profit, by Law + Reskin loose site purpose = Adverts should not be here. Period.--Sycamore (Talk) 10:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Can I just again point out that, although the inability of Wikia to say they will NEVER allow ads on Uncyclopedia is at the back of many people's thoughts the primary issue here is that despite the wishes of the majority of active users Wikia choose to put their supposed needs ahead of the wishes of the community. The URL didn't happen on October 8th it happened on wednesday and if you missed the fireworks following that I'd be very surprised. With regards to "ownership" Uncyclopedia is a non profit organisation, how that is run comes down to you as the user. Anything we put in place needs to merely reflect the wishes of the people who contribute to making this site what is it today. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Be fair: "...Wikia forces changes onto us without consulting us" is not a correct description of what happened. Sannse started talking to us about the domain name change on September 30, and that discussion currently stands at around 17,800 words. That's a lot of consultation. She and KyleH made what I perceive as good-faith efforts to read a novelette-length topic and address the substantive points made by the Uncyc community. No, we did not have our way. But let's not let emotion become the motivating force here. Keep the facts straight. ----OEJ 16:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

"Hey guys, we're doing this." <talk talk talk> "Okay, but we're doing it anyway" is a lot closer to "Hey guys, we're doing this. Suck it." <talk tal...> "Shut up, we're doing it anyway" than it is to "Guys, we were considering doing this. Let's talk about it." <talk talk talk> <consensus>. Yeah, it's nice that when there was discussion, they read some of it, but they still announced they were going to do something without first asking us. --monika 19:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

(@OEJ) But there was no discussion was there? It was "this is what we are going to do regardless of what people think". But other than that I agree with you, we need to have a calm discussion on what is the best for Uncyclopedia and for its long term future. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Well, as I recall KyleH wrote a point-by-point response to suggestions raised on the forum topic. I suppose it depends on whether you define discussion as two parties reading and responding to communications, or as two parties reaching a compromise position. I did not see compromise; I saw fair notification and what I call discussion. In response to Monika, I can only repeat what I and a few others have maintained all along: we have gotten a free ride from Wikia. They do, after all, own the servers and pay the bills, n'est pas? We don't. *shrugs* It's not that important to me, I guess, as long as we have a place to write. ----OEJ 02:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll give you there was discussion. I'm more curious to know your definition of consulting, actually. --monika 05:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm really starting to wonder how clear I have to make this:

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ADS.

Allow me to copy and paste exactly what I said at the top of this forum again: This is about Wikia enacting an undesirable change to our domain name, our identity as a site, for reasons that are dubious at best. So if you're gonna be pissed off, be pissed off about that, not about ads we don't even have right now. Also, Uncyclopedia =/= liberalpedia, or Atheismpedia, or rationalpedia, or rationalpediawiki, or any other wiki on the internet that I know about right now. Uncyclopedia is its own site with its own interests to maintain. A domain change might not bother some wikis, but for Uncyc I personally think it's kind of a big deal. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 22:41, Oct 26

Also, allow me to copy and paste exactly what I said at the top of this forum again. The domain issue is over. Ads, welcome (you should pay a price to stay, Uncyclopedia has no privilege)! Move, great (if you can make it work)! That's the reality. --Hant (Talk) - For your safety, China Free! - 23:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

... THIS IS NOT ABOUT ADS. There are no ads right now. There are no specific plan for ads in the future. We do not need to move just because there might maybe be ads at some time. We don't know when, and I think we've made it fairly clear they're not welcome. So let's keep our free hosting for a bit and see where it goes. --Mr. Monkey Pant-hoot here. 00:08, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

The domain issue is not over, you dolt, not by a long shot. That's what this entire forum is about. Take your ad complaints elsewhere, because we're not dealing in speculation. We're dealing with the issue at hand: The domain move. Fuck ads. No one gives a shit about what might happen. This is about what did happen, and this forum is in reaction to that. If you're going to whine about ads, please do us all a favor and strike yourself in the head with a large shovel, or purchase a shovel so that someone else might do so for you. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 00:11 Oct 27, 2008

Uncyclopedia doesn't have to pay for itself. Wikia purchased us from Chronarion for the traffic they knew we would generate for other Wikia wikis, knowing full well that we were a non-profit entity. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 00:25, Oct 27

I have no problem with ads. As for the domain name change, I don't see that as a problem in itself, but I can see why people would be angry at the heavy handed way Wikia went about it. This is especially true if this is the last in the long line of power abuses by Wikia. I can support a break from Wikia but keep in mind that an independent Uncyclopedia would need money to stay afloat, and may find itself needing to accept ads anyway.--Naughtius Maximus F@H Woof! MeowMUN 14:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm starting to think that the best way to go would be to form an Uncyclomedia Organisation made up with representatives of the membership for the purpose of running Uncyclopedia. It may be that this group is entirely self autonomous, if some kind of deal is brokered with Wikia it may include representatives from them, all these are things we can discuss. The important thing is that Uncyclopedia does not fall into the hands of a single person or a for profit entity, in order to maintain its creative integrity and to safeguard its future. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Seconded. -RAHB 14:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thirded? Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 14:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Only if I can be in the middle this time. -RAHB 15:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok.... Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 15:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

This is clearly all about ads.

I don't want us peddling the wares of corporations who won't even provide SAVINGS!!! -- » Sir Savethemooses Grand Commanding Officer ... holla atcha boy» 00:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I second that... With SAVIN'S!!! Unlike those Wikia types. 00:51, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Further complications, because we need those

What happens to our freenode cloaks, should we leave Wikia? – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 01:15 Oct 27, 2008

This is a guess Angela relinquishes the registration of the room, some regular reregisters it, we go to starnes and have him give power to cloaks to some other regular, problem solved. I'm probably wrong. Lieutenant THEDUDEMAN Dude ... Totally UOTM KUN GotA F@H 21:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

What will most likely happen with #uncyclopedia/#uncyclopedia-* and uncyclopedia/ cloaks is Wikia's Group Contact(s) will retain control of them, but I think there may be a way for Wikia to relinquish control on Uncyclopedia's IRC stuff so that Uncyclopedia can register as a separate group. --Sir Starnestommy (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 22:51, Oct. 27, 2008

As far as I know, any non-commercial online community is free to approach freenode.net and request IRC facilities. Many non-Wikia projects (such as #desciclopedia) have done so, ages ago. The only real concern is what happens to the existing #uncyclopedia channel; the new entity can request new cloaks, daggers and all the other customary accoutrements, but would we be doing so as #uncyclopaedia? --Carlb 21:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

A quick note

There are a few forum topics about this now, but I've resisted taking part in the discussions because I wanted to give you time and space to talk without Wikia's voice popping up all the time. But I also want you to know that we didn't just make this change and run. We are reading here as well as being on IRC to try and talk this though. It's been said that there is no point talking to Wikia, and that's something I have to strongly disagree with. I'm not sure how we can resolve this at the moment, but hopefully this idea of choosing representatives will help. I'm going to go back to mostly-lurking for now, but all of us at Wikia want to find a way to work with you and keep this community together. -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

So you'll get rid of New Monaco? :D -- Hindleyite Converse 14:22, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

If you don't, we'll huff Wikia! Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 14:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Screw the ads!

Get Noscript and Adblock with Firefox and don't see the ads or popups. :) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 15:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Lolz I already haz it. Judge Adriano "Legal" Zarbi Talk! 15:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

If you use Opera, overwrite urlfilter.js. But the true enemy is google-ads. Use of Internet Explorer and Privoxy-or-Proxymitron may be also the one of the good choice.--Ore tatieno 16:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I use Lynx. Can anyone tell me how to disable ads and popups? pillow talk 16:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Kay, so two, no, three things for you guys.

1. There aren't any ads so far--while we should be weary, still.

2. We all know that there are ways to block them from our computers, but that isn't the point. The point is other people will see it--and it takes away from our parody-ness a little bit. We're not about that at all. The point is the thought! No giving up for us!

3. I don't haz any of those :( The HRH MuCal. Tayor MUN (Praise!) (CMC!) 18:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Those would be some of the backdoor tactics. URL filtering can block analysises by wikia. This is that shrinking page views of wikia and being dropped profits of wikia. However, these ways will also shrink the page views of Uncyclopedia.

It is also effective to call on sponsors of wikia that must be against their own corporate philosophy.--Ore tatieno 19:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Am I allowed to voice my opinion?

...Even though I haven't been on since February? --YeOldeLuke 01:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Not unless you go through reinitiation. COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 02:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

*weeps softly* --YeOldeLuke 03:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

personaly, i think the pokemon page needs seriouse updating, it is not imformative or at all helpful. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.98.249.180 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the tip, IP. Oh, if only this was a wiki of some kind that anyone could edit! Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 13:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Please don't edit the wiki - my "Wikipoleonic Complex" has turned in a "Howard Hughs clean freak complex", I need lots of qurantine and soap now...--Sycamore (Talk) 13:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

A question about this situation

Can I have the old domain? --AAA! (AAAA) 13:58, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Surely it is needed to redirect old links to the new url?--sabrown100 14:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I want to win

teh penis  –      (ooh!) (aah!) ...·º•ø®@» LEG CUN GUN DUN 18:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

You win! COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 19:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm....they say the real You Won Teh Penis award is now valued at around three and a half fully grown penises. Zana Dark, if you jump into a swimming pool full of lava with one or two grues in it then you can have the ultimate PENIS award. Alternatively you can steal it. Either way you will end up spending a lot of time in a jail if you commit murder and are found out. So in conclusion, I say that if you are going to commit the murder, make sure no one finds out, or else you will lose your PENIS award and will be stuck in the lava of racial hatred because of the current PENIS situation. So yes, by all means, eat the bread! But don't come crying to me when you discover that you have in fact been worshipping Satan all along and have been convinced that it is cool to sell goats on the hillside. So yes, murder away. - [08:32 31 October] Sir FSt Don Yettie

Actually in the military they rank enlisted men by how many peni they have on their sleeves. The arrow that points up is an ancient symbol for a penis, an arrow that points down is an ancient symbol for a vagina. So the more peni a man has on his uniform, the higher the rank. But now that women are in the military they can earn more peni as well. But officer ranks each symbol is a different representation for a penis. The star is the highest ranking dick there is and the more stars a general has the bigger the dick he is, but only the US President is the biggest dick (Biggus Dickus) in the military. :) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so at least this particular heading is not about the ads

You take a look at Uncyclopedia. It's just like it's always been... except for the domain name in the URL at the top of the screen. How much does that really mean? The Linkifier!!!!!? 21:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

A FUCKING LOT. (We'll let you know when we find anyone named Lot fucking.) --SPY Administrator (Complain|I rock|In memoriam) HMRFRA WH 21:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Anyone named Lot won't be f*cking because, well, his wife just turned into a pillar of salt. Don't you just hate when that happens? --66.102.80.212 00:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The domain name is our identity as a site. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 22:16, Oct 28

The domain name is valuable because of the inbound links that we've worked since 2005 to earn. Yahoo shows 39628 links to uncyclopedia.org from various pages (some part of this project, some not); Google finds 1660 inbound links. Sadly, the inbound links are more commercially valuable than any one individual server computer - at least given the mentality that inbound links == traffic == opportunity for the suits to spam our users with more pointless ads. That's part of why Chron selling the name out from under us was beyond dumb. To repair the damage done, not only will Uncyclopedia users need to move to the new site (whatever its called - uncyclopaedia perhaps?) but everyone linking to us will need to be politely asked to update their pages to point to the new URL. No small task, that, but I see no other option at this point. --Carlb 01:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

But what happens when the uncyclopedia.org domain name expires and some spammer buys it out or worse some dick who buys it out and redirects all of the links to Goatse or Tubgirl or Lemonparty, or something else just as nasty? Can we create a robot that takes all uncyclopedia.org links and resubmits them all as uncyclopedia.wikia.com links instead before the uncyclopedia.org expires? --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

A serious money question by a user who hasn't been active lately

Tonight I've been reading through some of these postings and I thought I'd stick my big fat nose into the discussion. If there's one thing this broth needs, it's another cook. (And if these questions have been answered, ignore this.)

I'm surprised to see what's happened, but my concerns aren't with ads per se; if the articles aren't censored in any way there shouldn't be a problem. But it does change what we do. When this is a non-profit, we're maintaining a group wiki that anyone can read and no one can build wealth from. When it starts generating income, though, we become content producers.

Back in 2006 someone entered the forums and said they were interested in publishing an Uncyclopedia compilation in Japan. I never got a sense of how serious they were, but I said then what I'll say now: If anyone makes money off our work, we have a right to ask for compensation for it. The best articles on this site stand with professional essays, and properly highlighted could generate an enormous amount of page views that would make an advertiser happy. It would be terrible to think that, say, Total Fucking Asshole Server 2006 benefited those who had nothing to do with its creation and gave nothing to the creator.

Compensation on a wiki, needless to say, is a tricky subject. Many hands could go into this article or that. But Uncyclopedia has generally adhered to a single creator model. The stuff I've had on VFH has usually taken hours and hours of work, and while I'm happy to share it in the nonprofit model, if this site begins generating revenue then providers need to be rewarded accordingly.

That sounds selfish, but it's something to consider. As much as I love (and still love) Uncyclopedia, I had to curtail my activities here because the articles took a long time to write. If our articles generate traffic on this site that leads people to pay money to put their ads on it, then the writers can and should expect some benefit from that.--Procopius 00:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Well Uncyclopedia is written by volunteers and admins are volunteers that police the Wiki and try to prevent it from going into chaos by blocking vandals, blankers, and people that just don't plain have a sense of humor and confuse humor for drama or shock. I don't expect to get paid for my work here, if they do start dishing out the wheel barrels of cash put my share towards the hosting bill and domain name registration bill and other bills. If anyone deserves to be paid, it is the admins of this Wiki, for what they have to put up with on a day to day basis. If you really want to get paid for writing things start a blog with Google AdSense or write a few books and publish them via Lulu.com and see who buys them. That way you can stick it to the Man who runs things and says you must work a dead-end thankless job, instead of writing silly things on your computer at your house or apartment in your underwear, PJs, or t-shirt and jeans or whatever you wear and get paid for writing silly stuff that people want to buy. Even Communists want to get paid for their work, as Communism is really just another form of Capitalism as the State is the only corporation allowed to exist and the managers are all members of the Communist Party the only party allowed to exist, and it stinks to not be a member (They don't approve everyone, even if you are an Electrical Engineer or Computer Programmer with a 150 IQ, they still accept Ivan the Janitor and his 80 IQ as a Communist Party Member but not you, guess which one of you gets paid more and has more perks, comrade?) but still remember that the USSR made Tetris which was one of the most profitable video games of all times. The guy who made it, got ripped off by both the USSR and every video game company that made a version of it but didn't pay him. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 02:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

We love you Procopius! Woo! (/me throws giant pair of panties on stage) Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 03:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

A Modest Proposal

Nope this isn't another Johnathan Swift satire about eating aborted Irish babies, or whatever. This is a way to pay for the Uncyclopedia.org domain name. Start a non-profit organization named UnMedia or whatever, and take the best of Uncyclopedia and put it into a book and sell it on Lulu.com and take the sales of the book and use them to pay for Uncyclopedia hosting. Users can vote on which articles, Unnews stories, UnBooks, etc get nominated for the "Best of Uncyclopedia Vol. 1" by "Oscar Wilde" and "Sophia" and then start on a Vol 2, etc. As long as the book is publised under the same CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0 license as Uncyclopedia itself, it should be legal. All UnMedia is doing is selling the paper edition and the Lulu.com site prints the paper edition, collects the money, and then pays UnMedia what is left of the publishing. It can even use Lulu.com to pay extra to sell the book on Amazon.com and get an ISBN number. Just imagine if the Library of Congress had a book in their collection called "The Best of Uncyclopedia Vol 1." etc? We can also make Calendars, Cook Books, CDs, and other things Uncyclopedia themed. Sound good, is it a business savvy enough plan? --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 01:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

• For. That's the most logical thing said all forum. COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 02:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
• Cautionary for. Hey, it sounds good, but we might need a foreword by a user to explain to people what Uncyclopedia is. Also, the Top 10 of 05-08 should automatically be included in the book. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 02:57, Oct 29
• For. If for nothing else, have a look at the total shit being sold as humo(u)r these days. Also the hopes of getting your words actually printed (even if anonymously) would boost many writers, I'm sure. -- Style  Guide 06:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
• Strong against until we get settled. We're not Wikipedia, and we don't have the attention span to spare. Selecting articles and refining them to get them into print is going to be a long and careful process, and it can't just be a case of "let's add another voting page!" I think this is something that would require the shutdown of VFH for a while so we could all concentrate on the project and figure out what articles make it, in what order, and which revision. It's a great idea, but we'd seriously need a lot of energy to get it done without the idea falling apart at the binding. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 03:05 Oct 29, 2008

I think now would be a great time to shut down VFH temporarily, don't you think? COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 16:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Also: We should have an Uncyclopedia convention or something, or lke a booth at some major convention, and sell merchandise. Just a thought. COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 17:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Check out cafepress.com for other merchandise & stuff. 128.109.2.110 18:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks that is a good idea as well, UnMugs and UnHats and UnT-shirts. It could maybe just work! --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 20:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah an UnConvention would work? What would we call it, Mocktoberfeist, Oscar Wildestock, UnAID, Sophphiapalosia? :) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 20:08, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

For. Oscar Wildestock COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 20:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

F-U-C-K-I-N-G HELL NO Please tell me that was a joke, so I don't have to explain the obvious. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 21:10 Oct 29, 2008

Slightly off-topic...

Is Wikipedia copying us? Do they have a crisis too? ~ Chair. Rodrigo S. P. "Spuddy" Burek 18:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but their survey is copied off of an Animaniacs Slappy Squirrel Cartoon. “Do you eat beans? Would you like to see a new movie starring George Wendt? Would you like to eat beans with George Wendt? Would you like to see George Wendt eating beans in a movie? Do you eat beans at George Wendt movies? Would you like to see George Wendt in a bean-eating movie?” --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 20:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. Please, everyone, do me a favor and never mention Slappy Squirrel again? pillow talk 21:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Hype, if you think its the last of it, you are sadly incorrect. Go to Fox Bros. Network and check out most of the links on the lists in there. A lot were deleted back in the day, but there are plenty more. The Woodburninator (woodtalk) (woodstalk) 21:26, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware there's more. And personally, I'd like some kind admin (I nominate RAHB), to go burn all this shit out of here without having to make us go through nine more VFDs. The user has already left and said he had no interest in our project, and the whole walled garden he left behind just makes me feel... dirty. And not in that good "mud-wrestling with a stripper" kind of way. pillow talk 21:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I nominate Hyperbole to assemble a list and deliver it to my talk page. "Newspaper style." -RAHB 21:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

That Wikipedia survey really is obnoxiously repetitive... 152.3.65.140 22:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thinking Things Through

Wow, there's an hour of my life I'll never get back. I just read this whole thing and it strikes me that none of our plans are all that well thought through.

1. Wikia has been good to us. Apart from the whole thing over the domain wiki has given more than it takes. Think about it, uncyc has no ads and therefore doesn't contribute directly to it's own hosting costs. We contribute indirectly by bringing people to other wikia wikis that do have ads. But Wikia still has no plans to introduce ads on the site. They have accommodated our needs not to have a standard wikia skin also.
2. The reasons for the domain change seemed pretty sound to me: to bring in money from advertisers without changing uncyc's content. The counterarguments seemed weak to me, and it certainly isn't worth quitting Wikia for.
3. The chances of finding a host as benevolent as Wikia are slim. Hosting a site costs money, no matter who does it, and whoever hosts us will need to get the money from somewhere. Our contributors are mostly high school kids who can't afford to donate to the site. Personally, I'm a college student, on a tight budget and there's no way I'm cutting into my alcohol money for this site. Server owners will also, inevitably have a degree of power and there is no guarantee that the will be as amiable as wikia.
4. If we rely on donations then there is the constant risk that we wont have enough to stay online, which means that we will be constantly begging each other for money.
5. Does anybody know what it takes to set up a not-for-profit company, cos I sure don't?
6. Does anybody have any idea what it will cost to move to a new server?

We seem to do a lot of complaining and promising to storm off to a new server and stuff, without any real concrete ideas. Personally, I'm in favour of staying, and perhaps setting up that special cabal to "negotiate" with Wikia. -- nefarious Ape (urinate) (Riot Porn) 23:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

1. Already been stated.
2. Already been stated; the counterargument is simply that Wikia has done something against our wishes and we don't want to look like pussies anymore. There's also a fair bit about identity and such too, but mostly the first one.
3. Already been stated; and the bit about high school kids is untrue. Plus, we might have ads to support us, of the Google nature.
4. Yes, but it might be necessary.
5. No.
6. 1 arm, 1 leg, and 1/2 left ear

And as for your last statement: That's what the vote is for. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 00:50 Oct 30, 2008

The cost of moving to a new server depends almost entirely on the amount of traffic a site generates. The first dedicated server to be used for the Uncyclopedia Babel wikis (mid-2006, deployed almost the same time Chron sold the uncyclopedia.org domain out from under us) originally cost about $50-75 a month, IIRC. At the time, it was moving a few hundred gigabytes a month of data. The sites have grown since then (uncyclopedia.info, pedia.ws, ansaikuropedia.org are each among the 20000 largest websites worldwide according to alexa.com, and Japan and Brazil now are using about 1.5 terabytes a month *each* - the two combined have as many pages as en:). The cost of operating the site (which is now two co-located servers, with two dual-core processors each, moving a total of four and a half terabytes a month) is currently a little over $500/month for what amounts to a little over half of all non-English language Uncyclopedia traffic. I shall be adding a third server in the next week or two to keep up with demand.

To put up a new copy of this site (en.uncyclopedia) on uncyclopaedia.org, uncyclopedia.info or some other new domain name would be trivial. A pointless mirror.uncyc.org site has existed for a little over two years now, mostly disused. The problem isn't servers - the problem is that Chron sold the uncyclopedia.org domain, which Wikia can and will use to operate a site in direct competition with us if and when we ever get our own server for the main Uncyclopedia. Wrong move... and the timing could not have been worse. --Carlb 10:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia seems to currently get roughly 350k page loads per day. Not sure how that translates to bandwidth. And yeah, we definitely wouldn't want to fork, but fully move if it came to that. If possible. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 05:18, 31 Oct 2008

CarlB raises an interesting scenario: "Wikia can and will use [Uncyc's current domain name ]to operate a site in direct competition with us if and when we ever get our own server for the main Uncyclopedia." Now the Question: If a group of users start a new Uncyc and it has teething problems -- spotty access, glitches, minor data loss -- then how many of us will simply go back to posting on Wikia's well-proven site? I would. But I'm not going to be around much for awhile, for completely unconnected reasons. If I were all of you I would be...uh, a lot of different people. Yikes! But I would proceed with caution and logic so cold it would make dry ice seem like sizzling bacon fat by comparison. Be careful, guys and gals. ----OEJ 14:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

"Wikia can and will...", actually who is to say that if we decide to go elsewhere a deal couldn't be struck by the community with Wikia to release the domain name? We are looking to make decisions to secure the long term for Uncyclopedia, so caution and ice cool logic must be key to every decision we make. What we need are options and serious discussion as to the best one to take. I'm pretty sure that Wikia and Uncyclopedia could find a new way to work together. Likewise if it is in the best long term interest of the community to migrate elsewhere then that needs to be planned out fully, and I'd like to think that Wikia would help and support that decision. This is the future of the site, we can't afford to make decisions based on personal or corporate agendas. The key question that we need to find the answer to is "what is best for Uncyclopedia?" -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

I'm looking primarily at what has already happened when various wikis in the Uncyclopedia series have changed hosts or considered doing so. From there, the outcome seems easy to predict. Hikipedia (fi:) used to exist on someone's home ADSL connection, very briefly - it lasted a month or two there. It has since been moved to hikipedia.info; yet a member of Wikia staff created a fork as hikipedia.wikia.com which gathered mostly vandalism for the better part of a year before finally being shut down after intense pressure from the fi: community. The fi: interwiki links here pointed to the fork, not the real project, for months. Other Scandanavian countries no:, sv: had initially asked to be on Wikia, then had moved later. I think Wikia still has the duplicate wikis open, albeit pretty much abandoned, and interwiki links to no: were an issue for about a year. Links to the new wikis were also being removed from pages of the Wikia versions by staff. Desciclopédia pt: has always been non-Wikia; they were looking for a new host briefly in April 1997 (and ultimately were switched from rental dedicated servers to co-location at a different provider, without a domain change). At this time, Wikia saw an opportunity to register a long list of Desciclopédia-related domain names, all of which they still hold although all point nowhere. As such, even with a third server sitting here awaiting deployment and the uncyclopaedia.org name (and a few others) available, there is still pretty much a certainty of two things: the site can be put up on uncyclopaedia.org on the new server, and Wikia will use uncyclopedia.org to direct inbound traffic to wikia.com instead of whatever domain we use. There's also a strong possibility that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, that the bear is a Catholic and the pope goes in the woods, but don't hold me to that. --Carlb 16:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC) :)

Well I would like to believe that should we decide to go elsewhere Wikia would not be stupid enough to do something that would cause them a great deal of bad publicity. With Jimbo repeatedly speaking about the ethical and charitable nature of his work and the vision he holds working against the will of a community in the pursuit of the almighty dollar could backfire quite dramatically on the image he is seeking to create. It could also create a great deal of illwill amongst a number of people that could carry across to their other offerings. I believe that in my vision for the future corporate responsibility and ethical business will be a much sort after commodity, hopefully Wikia share that vision. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

We want a real non-profit, tax-deductable charity orgaisation, not a fake one!

Well, how come you disapproved of having a non-profit charity for Uncyclopedia? We could have Uncyclomedia Foundation created for real as a charity organisation for free comedy. Copy Wikipedia. Get more servers. If we move from Wikia to MediaWiki, or stand ourselves as an independant website, free from being hosted, we can have no ads, no crap and even better, we can stand alone! We should have done that two years ago! | King Joseph | Talk | 07:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmm This web site looks interesting as well as this Wikihowto article, anyone dare to read them and figure out how to do such a thing? I'm busy fighting socialist zombies on Slashdot who are posting as Anonymous Coward giving me threats like they want to rape me or something. :) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, buying servers and connecting them is one thing the creator can do. A decentralised server network for Uncyclopedia will work, plus you can register Uncyclomedia Foundation as a non-profit charity organisation through the US Patent and Trademark Office (no patent nonsense). |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Pinoy CUN|IC Kill | 05:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, Uncyclopedia already holds the patent on patented nonsense. --Carlb 01:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

And I wanted the Uncyclopedia Store to be Real. Hello, the store is fake! And I got proof:

I wish this was for real. It should be! Now there's a way to get our own hosting and solve the whole server debacle. 132.208.91.10 20:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Me too. Plus, we need real items. |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Pinoy CUN|IC Kill | 06:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Someone Please Remind me why I care.....

WTF, I'd want to know what the hell dis notice iz 'bout. Is it about the damn Economy or somethin'. Does dis wiki have enough money????? WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????????????????? --BlackSugaBabyGurl 00:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Try reading. It's good for you. Or at least that's what the teachers told me. They also told me I'd never get anywhere with a 2.1 GPA, BUT LOOK AT ME NOW!... /me weeps -RAHB 00:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I do read...sometimes. I just use internet slang. Besides, I'm 15 years old. Shit, I mean It's not as if I have to use proper language on a content-free wiki. Home Boy, It's a free country. --BlackSugaBabyGurl 00:48, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Well yeah, there's that. What I meant was, read this forum. It'll tell you all you need to know about the topic you were asking about. -RAHB 00:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Okay Sorry! I wanted to know what this "crisis" was about. Is it b/c of the economy that the site doesn't have enough money? --BlackSugaBabyGurl 01:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing to do with money here. Well, there sort of is, but not the way you'd be thinking. It's all a political thing with Wikia. The site is running just fine, we're just discussing what the best direction for it is right now. -RAHB 01:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Okay. I understand. That's all I needed to know. Thanks.--BlackSugaBabyGurl 01:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Another customer handled with dignity! RAHB you rule! -- Style  Guide 14:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Once I heard "15 year old girl," all I could think about was preparing my alibi. pillow talk 16:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I do rule. -RAHB 21:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Dignity, and the ability to slide past, and ignore, Hype's loaded comment. RAHB for president? The Woodburninator (woodtalk) (woodstalk) 22:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

RAHB for some president at least - ninja president? -- Style  Guide 11:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

How about the Detective president? That way, I get to say things like "Randolph, you're off the case!" And I can also call myself the "Head Dick." -RAHB 20:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool it Dadio, let Apathy take control and do nothing

Just sit back and enjoy the ride as Uncyclopedia.org redirects to uncyclopedia.wikia.com and Wikia promised us there would be no Ads. I shudder at the thought of Fundamentalist Christians and Scientologists and FSM Worshipers trying to convert our user base via pop-up malware installing ads. :) So what if John McCain wins and Neocons celebrate by putting advertising for Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and Conservapedia ads on the Uncyclopedia pages in a pathetic chance to try and convert us. I'm a Moderate Libertarian and Space Pirate Ninja, they cannot convert me, I have a mental illness that prevents most forms of brainwashing, they only annoy me instead. Backup plan register uncyclopedia.info or uncyclopedia.net or uncyclopedia.ws and host it on another Wiki? ;) Either that or merge Uncyclopedia articles with Illogicpedia, Wikiwrit, or some other Wiki. :) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

"Do" something? By undead zombie Jesus - I thought this was all about commenting! -- Style  Guide 10:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Ive done nothing at all, and Im fastly running out of ideas --Nytrospawn 19:50, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice!" -Rush (The Rock and Roll Group not that Fat Pill-Popping Neocon. Rush 2112, woo hoo! Wikia are the Priests of The Temples of Syrinx, and they smashed our guitar!:) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I really don't like the URL

I mean that like lowers us to the level of all those unimportant little wikis. Bleurgh! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Veggieburgerfish (talk • contribs)

Welcome to uncyclopedia.wikia.com. Don't forget to sign your forum posts with four tildes (~~~~). On a side note, I have a little wiki, and it's not even cold out. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 22:20, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Me too. I am sad it's not completley on it's own anymore! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uncyclopedia Rocks! (talk • contribs)

Welcome to uncyclopedia.wikia.com. Don't forget to sign your forum posts with four tildes (~~~~). On a side note, I have a little wiki, and it's not even cold out. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 22:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe some day we can dream of being a big wiki with our own domain, like http://oisquipedia.org (the Uncyclopedia in Occitan language):

Benvenguts sus la Oisquipèdia!

l'enciclopedia gratuïta que sa grafia s'entend !

1 articles dempuèi sa creacion e junh de 2008

Perhaps when we grow up? --Carlb 14:57, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

That damn ".wikia.com" is startin' to look mighty ugly there, Bobbo.

How do I kill it? I would do what I usually do when Wikia attacks (pull out a vial of Holy Water and a SuperSoaker), but I seem to have misplaced my Supersoaker. Any recommendations? COLIN ALL YOUR BASEHEANEY! AMERICA JOE THE PLUMBER IN '08!!! 22:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I tried adding in "216.224.121.158 uncyclopedia.org" to my host file, but then it just goes to the Wikidia main page instead of Uncyclopedia. So they must share the same IP with wikia.com with uncyclopedia.wikia.com so that trick won't work. I also tried "uncyclopedia.wikia.com uncyclopedia.org" but that didn't work either. I can't hack my way out of it via a clever HOSTS file modification. Maybe client side Javascript that takes the URL and sees the uncycloepdia.wikia.com and replaces that text with uncyclopedia.org? Ah but that is too much work. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

THINKER

Hello friends. I profess this declaration with one preexisting condition: that being the fact that I have not read a single word of this thread, other than the portion about RAHB's penis (which is apparently circumcised -- you learn something new every day). RAHB has caught me up on all the pertinent details regarding this evolving wikia.com issue. And I'd like to also begin by apologizing to my readers for being in such a state of inactivity whilst pursuing other endeavors and working like a maniac. The opportunity to entertain you headcase miscreants has always been a great joy to me since day one of my time here. As you know, I would have been uproariously vocal from the start of this mess, and as your Writer of the Year, I carry a guilt at this juncture because of it.

Those who know my deep-seeded commitment to the intentions and ideals of this site know exactly how I feel. Simply stated, Uncyclopedia should NOT be at the .wikia.com extension. As I have said in the past, I am a contributor to the Muppet Wiki; that is fine where it is. Harry Potter, Mixed Martial Arts, and Indiana Jones Fan Fiction all completely belong under the Wikia umbrella. That umbrella is one that has served us well in the past -- never lose sight of what a great run we've had being connected to such a fine organization as Wikia. But Uncyc has so much more purpose and intention than these types of wikis. We're not detailing the origins of Captain Picard here; we are expressing satire. We are engaging in wordcraft for the entertainment, enjoyment, and through collaboration, the possible betterment of our fellow contributors. If we cannot remain Uncyclopedia.org (like that other site, what was it...oh right, Wikipedia.org), it is time to part ways and get Uncyclopedia it's own hosting. And in all reality, at this point in Uncyc's existence, I think it's probably something that should've happened a while ago.

Now I understand why this is happening, and I hold no contempt for it. It is all about the money for advertising, and I completely understand Wikia's position in the matter. They are absolutely right for taking the action that they've taken. And as money is pretty much the only real issue that is of importance in many cases, I shall say it plainly:

Tell me how much, and I will try my best to figure it out. I understand the amount of space needed, and the hosting cost will likely be through the roof. But as you all know, the core principles of Uncyclopedia, even with those elements of imperfection with which I take issue, still mean the world to me. And I pledge to you right now, that as long as it is possible, I will financially back Uncyclopedia.org. From what RAHB has told me, I would not be alone in such an undertaking (thank god). I would love to discuss the options with those individuals.

For now, I understand we have elected officials to lead talks with Wikia. These are good men, and I'd like them to know that they have my support. All I ask is that when the time comes and talking must yield to action, please keep THINKER in close mind. As of right now I unfortunately cannot devote the needed time to checking back regularly on this issue, so please forward correspondence to RAHB for the time being. I'll do my best to try and stay in the loop and active regarding this matter.

tl;dr - THINKER and a few others pay for whatever is needed, Uncyc goes back to .org, and the site takes a bold step towards a brighter tomorrow. Now that's change we can fuckin' believe in.

I'm Thinker St. James, and I approve this aria. --THINKER 01:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

hey guys

THINKER's back. And I'm not thinkerer. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 05:10, Nov 4

YOU ARE NOT THINKERER! - Admiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate 17:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

hey guys

I'd like to also begin by apologizing to my readers
THINKER's ego is back! I think THINKER might be back too, but I can't tell. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 15:06 Nov 07, 2008

Well besides the fact that I do have people that specifically seek out my content, I think that the weight of my statement in this matter warrants such self-aggrandizement. Didn't the heading give that away?

PS - Did you know that you taught me the meaning of tl;dr? It's good to see that you can make it through the first sentence these days. ;) --THINKER 19:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Illogicopedia

Hey, I'm not sure if it's been mentioned beyond Hindleyite saying "Illogicopedia can come too", but we too have been seeking to get away from Wikia. basically what we'd probably want to do is join you guys in some kind of hosting or something like that. I'm not sure how to put it; Hindley, you know how these things work, git your ass onto here :P User:Fag/sig5 11:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The en.illogicopedia.com, fr.illogicopedia.com and nl.illogicopedia.com wikis are allocated and ready for use if you need them; if you're looking to drag Hindley's ass around here, that part's out of my hands. --Carlb 23:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

You got it in one! Oh,and I want you to see this:

“Imagine a world in which every single person and alien in the universe is given free access to the sum of human comedy, parody and satire”

~ Joe on Uncyclopedia

Yes, copy and paste this, and please try and save Uncyclopedia:

{{Q|Imagine a world in which every single person and alien in the universe is given free access to the sum of human comedy, parody and satire|[[User:Joe9320|Joe]] on Uncyclopedia}}

Cheers. | King Joseph | Talk | 06:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

or...

“Imagine a universe in which every single restroom in each world is provided with free access to the sum of human comedy, parody and satire”

~ Joe the Plumber on Uncyclopedian Digest

I managed to drag my arse here

Somehow. Anyway, as MetalFLowe... er, Fag said, we too are completely disillusioned with Wikia over the New Monaco fiasco. It was very similar to your situation - they went ahead and did it even though we hated it. When we complained, Wikia suggested we move but that was months ago and we still haven't raised enough cash to pay for servers and hosting. CarlB, thanks ever so much for the allocation of the domain names! We're in the process of working out the logistics of the move and might keep you posted if I don't get thrown on a bonfire this weekend. Plus, I'll try and drag some more arse on here in the form of Silent Penguin, who may be along in due course. -- Hindleyite Converse 18:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, the situation is that:

• Most of the original data has been recovered to illogicopedia.com, with the notable exception of the userlist. That would mean that every user would need to re-register on every language Illogicopedia in which they intend to edit. The admins would also need to be re-opped once they're back in the userlist. It looks like a few of the nl: users (user:D. G. Neree et al) are already registered on nl.illogicopedia.com and maybe en:
• While domain names and data can be moved from one non-Wikia server to another non-Wikia freely, there is no straightforward way to shut down "*.illogicopedia.wikia.com" once you're done with it. An annoying Wikia limitation. Expect it to either be run in direct competition with you or overrun with vandalism and spam once you abandon it; actually getting an abandoned Wikia closed tends to be a long, drawn-out battle here, sadly.
• As far as I know, no one has re-registered on fr: - c'est une ville fantôme perhaps? Je ne sais pas.
• "In other languages" links between articles on the same topic are possible but most existing pages appear not to be making much if any use of them. Not sure if the project is large enough to justify unleashing a robot to do this?
• It would be possible to use *.org as a domain name if you prefer (and if you already have that registered); I just set this up as *.com in order to get the wikis up and running quickly with the first available domain.

I'm currently in the middle of hardware upgrades (new server was put in the rack today, but still waiting for the commons.uncyclomedia.org collection of jpe.gs to be copied over - it's huge and taking its sweet time as always). Hopefully things should begin to return to abnormal shortly. --Carlb 19:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we already had control of the .org domain and most external links seem to link to there rather than the actual wikia address. There really was no need to register a whole domain for us :D. Mainly because we posted it on the front page. As for closing it, i will willingly have long shouting matches with sannse until it gets done, at least locked to non admins in any case. Thanks humbly :)--Sir Silent Penguin "your site makes no sence" The illusion is complete 17:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it was necessary to register the .com - otherwise someone else could and would register it just to point it to the abandoned Wikia fork of your project. The situation with Creatures Wiki (where Wikia registered the very name the community wanted to use on their new, independent host) makes that all too clear. If you want .com redirected to .org, that would be easily done - just let me know.

Also, is there any chance that all of the text copied to illogicopedia.wikia.com from various Uncyclopedias could be nominated for deletion over there? Our content is licensed non-commercially (CC-BY-NC-SA) and is *not* GFDL, so really shouldn't be crossposted to sites laden with advertising, even by companies registered offshore in New Monaco. Thanks. --Carlb 18:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

One good thing about the site move

It's no longer blocked at my school! HAHAHAHAHAH! Let the chaos ensue! Later. Tomorrow maybe. --MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 18:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Test Tools > Website Test behind the Great Firewall of China
Test results

Website Test Results
Tested From: Beijing, China
Tested At: 2008-11-05
13:17:00 (GMT -05:00)
URL Tested: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com
Resolved As: 216.224.121.158
Status: couldn't connect to host
Response Time: 0.905 sec
DNS: 0.905 sec
Connect: 0.000 sec
Redirect: 0.000 sec
First Byte: 0.000 sec
Last Byte: 0.000 sec
Size: 0 bytes

Maybe the reason is that the English Uncyclopedia is now a neighbor of Commie China Uncyclopedia (zh.uncyclopedia.wikia.com)

Tested From: Shanghai, China
Tested At: 2008-11-06
09:07:15 (GMT -05:00)
URL Tested: http://zh.uncyclopedia.wikia.com
Resolved As: 216.224.121.158
Status: couldn't connect to host
Response Time: 1.109 sec
DNS: 1.109 sec
Connect: 0.000 sec
Redirect: 0.000 sec
First Byte: 0.000 sec
Last Byte: 0.000 sec
Size: 0 bytes
--Hant (Talk) - For your safety, China Free! - 14:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Could be, although one has to wonder what Wikia was thinking when they registered "uncyclopedia.wikiachina.cn". Perhaps it would have made more sense to go to Montenegro and register kick.me? It would seem that China has a better chance of being able to access the Korean uncyclopedia than this one, if only because they're fully-independent and hosted separately in Korea. --Carlb 20:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

DJ Irreverent tries to say something but does little more than wave his arms around a bit and get distracted by other things like icecream and his articles that are half done before forgetting what the hell he was on about... as it stands

If we go it alone we must make sure there is a definite plan and funds and make the product as streamlined as possible, which means greater quality control and - based on past experience - that is very hard. As it stands, we must always have our best work on show in that case, which means greater attention paid to publicizing old features and good new stuff. As it stands Uncyclopedia has great support but has been unable to tap that effectively for a while - if we ever go it alone we will need to do that, as it stands. As it stands, speaking with Wikia is the best option, as it stands. --Sir DJ ~ Irreverent 14:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Content quality control is a completely independent issue from selection of co-located server hardware and data centres. Certainly we already have access to multiple servers (half of the Uncyclopedia Babel project is non-Wikia, a trend which began more than two years ago, and a third server will be added to the co-lo this week) - the main problem is the fate of our old domain name once we move. --Carlb 16:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Suck! Cannot use images in UnCommons (Immidiately?)

Things are certainly occuring. I know a person in wikia at my nabe. Is it proper for me to ask him / her about the whole includes this problem?--Ore tatieno 15:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese Ansaikuropedia does have access to the jpe.gs collection on commons.uncyclomedia.org; it's the Wikia versions which do not. --Carlb 16:23, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh...What a lot of my shames...Thank you! Anecdotally, present dimensions about our nabe will write on that report as always.--Ore tatieno 16:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

An uncommons-style image library is something we'd requested ages ago; Wikia has consistently refused. Apparently they're already playing fast-and-loose enough with copyright by saddling us with the current mess of incompatible content licenses and consider a commons: to be more legal risk than it's worth? --Carlb 14:41, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I get it. Thanks. Jimbo don't want to be told his reputations down. It may have already been low.--Ore tatieno 14:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Tiny Url

I saw somewhere within the environs whiich is this arachia :-) that the new url sucks and its long and its whatever. But tonight I discovered there is a "tiny url" for uncyclopedia. OK, I made it happen, but its a public url

1. http://tinyurl.com/uncyclopedia
2. tinyurl (dot) com (forward slash) uncyclopedia
3. [2]

---

K3vin-Yak-Bak MUN,CM,NS 03:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

That's just a redirect... much like http://unne.ws/Sarah_Palin_forgotten is a redirect and not the actual page. Not the same animal at all. --66.102.80.212 06:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

And now for something completely different...

How about that airline food, huh guys? --Lord Fluffy who rains fire from the heavens 18:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah with the high price of jet fuel, they now charge for airline food. $5 for a bottle of water, $7 for a bag of salted peanuts, $8 for unsalted peanuts, $12 for a PBJ sandwich, $15 for a turkey sandwich, $18 for a roast beef on rye with mustard, $30 for those little bottles of booze, and the Stewardesses and Stewards expect big heavy tips or else they say "Buh-bye!" to you as you leave the jet. :) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

That much now? I remember when prices like that got a lobster dinner on the Concorde and a complimentary hand-job from the prettiest female flight attendant anywhere else. Those were the days, man, those were the days. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon (Tick Tock) (Contribs) 05:40, Nov 9

Its been awhile since we've heard this...

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ADS.

Dame GUN PotY WotM 2xPotM 17xVFH VFP Poo PMS •YAP• 20:51, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this where we're discussing ads? I heard this was about ads. -RAHB 22:02, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of ads, has anyone had a refreshing, crisp Coca-Cola Coke lately? It's both delicious and thirst-quenching! --Mr. Monkey Pant-hoot here. 22:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Not about ads? Well then, I guess I was misinformed. I guess those pop-up malware installing advertising I keep seeing are figments of my imagination caused by my paranoia and delusions of my schizo-affective disorder? I have such an imagination that it caused a mass hallucination with most of the Uncyclopedia members, except you and a few others who are immune to my global Internet psionic skills. :) Hey does that mean if there really are no ads, that we can create our own funny ads? Ads for Uncyclopedia articles and imaginary things we created in Uncyclopedia? Like the "Join the Dark Side, get a free cookie!" With Darth Vader and the Cookie Monster? An ad for Benson's 3D House of Pancakes? An ad for Nihilism that is nothing but a blank banner and no words?--Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't make a fucking difference if there are ads or not. We're not discussing them. Any more off-topic comments will be removed. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 03:34 Nov 08, 2008

Oh, Thumpy, I love it when you throw down the gauntlet. Makes me tingly. Dame GUN PotY WotM 2xPotM 17xVFH VFP Poo PMS •YAP• 17:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

And now for something completely different: "It is not about the domain name change either." This message has been brought to you by Big Brother, The UnCabal, the New World Order, and Barack Obama (secretly he is actually Loki in disguise as our next President-Elect) who all want to bring Change to Uncyclopedia so it can be more like Wikipedia than an actual humor Wiki. Thank you folks, I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitresses and/or waiters on the way out. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Illogicopedia has moved

http://illogicopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page.

New Illogicopedias:

• Illogic (English) .org domain .com domain
• Logimalpedie (French) .com domain
• Irratiopedia (Dutch) .com domain

MrN  Fork you! 16:07, Nov 8

HOOO YEAH! SilentPenguin* is riding a nuke YEEEE HHHaaaarrrrr..... BOOOOOOMMMMM!!!--Sir Silent Penguin "your site makes no sence" The illusion is complete 22:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Aaaaand we have the wonderful CarlB to thank for all of this. Just a message to Uncyclopedians: if you think Illogicopedia is full of infantile illiterates who write incomprehensible gibberish you are right think again, for there are genuinely good articles there. Overall, the wiki's quality is steadily improving thanks to an increasing userbase, some of which are Uncyclopedians like yourselves. We hope that this move will be a fresh start and aim to prove to you that Illogic is not the domain of juvenile delinquents. In other words, getcha butt ova dere boy! Thanks for (not) listening. -- Hindleyite Converse 13:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Someone needs to register the uncyclopedia web address before wikia does. Just for insurance--Nytrospawn 14:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The uncyclopaedia.org, uncyclopedia.info, uncyc.org and a few other variant names were registered ages ago, either because of the problems created by Chron selling uncyclopedia.org out from under us in July 2006 or because the domains were needed to host various other-language versions of Uncyclopedia. Certainly, something that was thought of years ago - and we are now at the point where even oc: (one page of Uncyclopedia Babble in Occitan) has its own registered domain. Anything gets registered just to keep the names out of the hands of the cybersquatters, because an arbitration case later would cost a hundred times more than a domain registration at the first sign a name might be of use. --Carlb 20:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

/me nods and pretends to know what is going on. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 17:33, Nov 17

/me burps and pops cybersquatters with Ultimate Shotgun^TM. -- Hindleyite Converse 22:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

"People have had time to find the new site"

For Uncyclopedian reference (about Illogicopedia put a site notice on its old Wikia site to tell vistors it have moved):

"People have had time to find the new site" From http://illogicopedia.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:KyleH The thing is that they haven't. Our community has moved permanently, and you're deliberately trying to keep that information from any innocent new writers who might start writing here and find themselves stradned in an empty website. Refusing to delete this website is understandable. I realize that wikia has a firm policy of not deleting wikis. But to remove the site-notice like that and declare that, after a week, everyone on the internet has had “enough” time to soak in the move is sort of abusing your authority, eh? Feel free to ignore my complaint as you have ignored the other thousands on this talk page. Honestly. We've moved. Please put the link back. --THE 02:30, 22 Novelniver 2008 (UTC) I apologize if it seems like I'm not listening. I assure you that I am. The only reason that I haven't responded in the past few days is because I believe that have addressed most of these issues in my earlier posts. It seems, however, that we still don't completely understand each other. To put it simply: this wiki is independent any other wiki that may exist. If you are leaving this wiki, then you are no longer part of the community here and therefore no longer have a say in how this wiki is run. As I said before, you are welcome to continue being a part of the community here, but only if your contributions support this wiki. I left the site notice and the mangled homepage up before as a courtesy, but it is now time for this wiki to move on. --KyleH<staff /> (talk) 04:00, 22 Novelniver 2008 (UTC) You say this site is now independent from every other site on the web. However, at the moment, is it really? After all, it still bears the name 'Illogicopedia' (hmm, sounds similar to another wiki I saw this week somewhere) and houses contributions created by us, the Illogicopedia community. So, in my mind we have every right to continue to have a say in what goes on here for as long as our content is held on your servers. Also, your previous post gave me a sense of satisfaction in knowing I was right when I mentioned Wikia only looking after themselves. I mean, why the diddly squat should you care about us? We've left now and as far as you're concerned, we don't really matter. I can fully understand that, you being a profit-making business and all, but it doesn't really come across as, shall we say, entirely courteous. -- Hindleyite Converse 12:29, 22 Novelniver 2008 (UTC)

--Hant (Talk) - For your safety, China Free! - 10:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm keeping a careful eye on the events at ?pedia. Looks like the entire use base has now moved. Giving the leaving community (who have dedicated a huge amount time and effort to building a site) only 1 week to inform their users of the move hardly appears reasonable. Hmm, I wonder if Uncyc should put something in our site notice about ?pedia moving... MrN  Fork you! 10:20, Nov 22

I've added the comment I just posted on Kyle's page. I believe we are now winning the battle. -- Hindleyite Converse 12:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Its clear that Wikia have a different application of the word "community", the good people at ?pedia seem to think that it the people who have activily built up the site, contributing their time and energy and talent into their work. Wikia seem to think that any passing IP vandal that makes a couple of edits before disappearing never to return make up the community. The events at ?pedia are very interesting in that the entire community have upped and left, yet Wikia seem to be intent on milking "their" site regardless of the bad press and general animosity that it is generating. Whether you want to view this as cybersquatting or not, to my mind it IS in bad faith, and an indication of the depths that Wikia are willing to go to, despite alienating the very users that their business depends on. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

This is a very sad thing that Wikia is doing with "their" wikis. Like Mhaille said, Wikia is destroying itself just to make a quick buck. Sure, it may make some money in the beginning, but with all the wikis being dilapidated and such, the scheme will eventually nullify itself. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 21:21, Nov 22

Ask the US Government for a bailout while they are still printing out money like crazy!

UnNews:Uncyclopedia to get $100 billion dollar bailout to get Domain Name Back we certainly hope so. We are much more valuable than Wikipedia or Conservapedia so we need the bailout money. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 21:01, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

$100 billion for the name would be annoyingly expensive compared to the cost of actually running a site like this. The co-located servers which handle half the Uncyclopedia Babel project's traffic are likely worth about $2500 each (and we only have three of the fool things, moving about 4.5 terabytes/month of patented nonsense, racking up at a bandwidth cost of $600/month and lowering the collective intelligence of nations from Japan to Brazil by 50-75 .iq points). Uncyclopedia.en is no larger than the next two largest Uncyclopedias combined, so a $100 billion adult illiteracy programme grant in which from government monies allocated for the promotion of adult illiteracy, $5000 goes to buy a reasonably-powerful server pair and the other $99 999 995 000 goes to the cost of recovering the domain name? Ouch! --Carlb 21:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Or does it go to bribe Wikia to allow us to have the domain name and make our own custom skins without any ads even for other Wiki sites? ;) --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 22:13, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

By now, you could probably buy Wikia outright for under $10 million. The venture capitalists paid $14 million for it in 2006, but between the many communities leaving, the adverse press coverage, the recent layoffs of a tenth of the staff and the harsh economic climate, the investors would probably welcome the chance to write off this loss and walk away before long. --Carlb 23:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

14 million dollars? Why, that's.... £34.50! Come on, Uncyclopedians, I'm sure we can cobble something together from our piggy banks. -- Hindleyite Converse 14:49, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

There is one case where Wikia did confess to all the sordid details; GuildWiki's content was originally licensed non-commercial use only (like our CC-BY-NC-SA) with much of its original startup costs funded through user donations. One of their founders (user:Gravewit) sold the site's domains out from other GuildWiki and a few related wikis in 2007, for an undisclosed price later disclosed at $US62000. The terms of the deal required, among other things, that he not disclose key information, that he turn over all data and then delete it (including the wiki's userlist) and that he not host another gaming wiki for two years. As soon as Wikia gained control, the community was furious; pages discussing online games were being displayed alongside "buy gold" advertisements inviting players to cheat in those games, those who donated money reacted very negatively (in some cases demanding refunds with varying levels of success) and the rights reserved to the original authors under the non-commercial CC license were quite clearly being ignored given Wikia's anything-but-noncommercial intent. In other words, you're not a community, you're a commodity. The domain name and traffic suddenly is worth ten times the cost of buying a few dedicated servers, as your only worth in the corporate wiki world is defined by the number of advertisements that can be used to deface your free content. If this is what we're dealing with (and I don't doubt it for a minute), I see no way out of the problems other than starting over on some other domain name - and even that would be a huge task as all of the outside sites which link to us would need to be approached individually and politely requested to update their links. I have no idea why we have allowed this to go on since 2006, but it looks like we are not the only community to have these specific issues. --Carlb 18:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

For the Love Of...

Somebody archive this please!!!!!!!!!! - Admiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate 21:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

No. Archive it when it gets really, REALLY serious. It's not too too bad now, and it's hard to tell what to archive because the oldest bits at the top are the most relevant. The Linkifier!!!!!? 22:22, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to create an archive of the key threads discussing the Wikia issues at http://complaintwiki.org as there are many wikis which have left (TFwiki, Illogicopedia, Spanking Art), are about to leave (Creatures, Furry) or had actively been considering leaving at some point (Wookieepedia). We do need all of the information in one place, so that when the issue escalates outside the confines of Wikia the chronology doesn't have to be pieced together bit-by-bit to explain our situation yet again to outsiders unfamiliar with what has been happening here over the last few months or years. --Carlb 04:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Spanking art? O_o -RAHB 04:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Spanking as an art? O_o Hep me, I must be hypmotized, that cannot be right! --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 17:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

SPANKING art? I'm disgusted and yet laughing uncontrollably at the same time. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 16:52, Dec 3

Wikia cookies and ads picked up as viruses by AV programs

After A-Squared, F-Secure, and Spyware Doctor got updated recently I found that ads-wikia cookies and HTM files in my cache are being picked up as viruses, port scanners, trojan downloaders, etc. I hope this is false positives and not the real thing or my computer is really infected every time I log on to Uncyclopedia.wikia.com apparently. Anyone else having these problems? --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 21:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually yeah, I've had pretty much the same thing happen to me. Colin ALL YOUR BASEHeaney! Casa Bey Superfly Portfolio 21:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

If you are using FireFox, then just get the Adblock Plus add-on from mozilla.org. It blocks all the ads on the Wikia hosted sites.--Nytrospawn 19:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)