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I've been updated over yet another incident in IRC last night, another one in a long line of incidents. I've had a chat with RAHB and ChiefjusticeDS who got a glimpse of what happened and we've all agreed that the current situation in the IRC cannot continue.

In essence, IRC has moved from being Uncyclopedia's channel to #Cyberbullying/#youareafag/#I opp my friends because I can.

Channel ops has become something that anyone can hold, because it's fun to kick and ban people for the sake of it and set insulting headlines. Goatse links became a standard issue, multiple people left because they have been harassed every time they set foot in what is, at least in theory, Uncyclopedia's supporting channel.

So we have decided to take control over IRC:

1. We're going to look over the list of opps in IRC and non site admins who hold ops and have been abusing their abilities (unnecessary kicks/bans, opping other users for the fun of it) will be losing their channel ops.
2. Any harassment will result in a very long ban from both IRC and the site.
3. IRC is, by default, left open for people blocked on the site so they can argue their case. However, if the banned person is using IRC to continue acting like an ass, he will be banned from IRC for the duration of his site ban.
4. Non necessary opping, will result in removal of channel ops from all parties involved (again, this is only if the IRC op is not a site admin).

As mentioned, RAHB, Chief and myself all feel this is necessary to cleanup the shithole that IRC has become. I'm asking all of the site admins who are active on IRC to help us with this. I personally will try to be much more present on IRC.

And on a personal note - I've had it up to here with the stench that is coming out of IRC and has now starting to take over Uncyclopedia itself. People are more busy with fighting and harassing each other than then contributing to the site, amongst some of the contributors to the current shitty state of affairs are some long standing members of the site. I've personally been a bit lenient because I don't like to ban good editors. But this stops now. I'm going to deliver long bans for any sort of shitty behavior. You don't know how to vote without being an ass? You're calling other people names? You're creating shit storms under the ever successful "for the lulz?" you won't be staying here much longer. I know I have a reputation of an asshole, and I plan to live up to it in the near future. Behave nicely to each other or find a new hobby. ~ 19:27, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds Fine To Me

But then again, I'm an old fart.--Sir Shandon (Talk) (Trophy Room) 19:29, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

But so bloody handsome. ~ 19:30, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I go with the Freenode policy; DON'T OP YOURSELF IF IT'S NOT FUCKING NECESSARY -- Prof. Olipro KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 20:11, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thank God

I was getting tired of all the kicking from IRC (I won't name names), links that were inappropiate, and all the ass hattery. You should also tell people not to show pics of other users if they don't want to. Maybe some users who left because of IRC (like Luvery) would now come back to Uncyclopedia. I would also help out by looking up anything offensive and reporting to the admins.--If you're 555 then I'm Talk What's it like to be a heretic? 19:39, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

If you're talking about Luvvy, her problem wasn't mistreatment in IRC. If you're not, I am a fish. --Andorin Kato 19:40, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Damn, I misspelled her name. Well I looked at her profile and said something about the asshats on IRC. I don't know, I wasn't here when the incident happen--If you're 555 then I'm Talk What's it like to be a heretic? 19:44, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

She isn't the best user to host our new uncyclopedia IRC. --ChiefjusticeDS 19:52, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Partly because she's inactive. --Andorin Kato 19:53, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

(UN:PROOF misses her *sniff*.)  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  30 Jul 2010 ~ 04:16 (UTC)

Another thought

The only reason I go on IRC - and I bet this is true for half or more of Uncyclopedians - is because I need to find an admin to help me out with something - a vandal, or a page move, or a revert war, or whatever.

It sure would be nice if there were a way for admins to indicate "Yes, I'm an admin; yes, I'm available to help you with your problems; yes, that's actually why I'm sitting on this channel and I won't just tell you to fuck off because you're bothering me."

It was shocking how utterly impossible this was when I was running the Horace sock and impersonating a noob. Not only was there no way to tell if there was an admin around, but I got banned just for asking. pillow talk 20:28, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Could you give us a re-enactment of this impression? I don't think I saw it, but I would love to see what level of irritation you achieved -- Prof. Olipro KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 20:31, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sure... it looked something like this.

<horacedonaldwest> are there any admins on the site. i need help with a ban.

(a few people make jokes, no one actually says anything helpful)

(/msging whoever the @channeladmin was):

<horacedonaldwest> hi, i need help with a ban, because i was banned from the wiki site.

<channeladmin> I'm not an admin on the site, and even if I was, why would I help you? Fuck off.

<horacedonaldwest> oh well can you at least tell me who an admin is. i got a ban and i want to talk to an admin about whether i have to stay banned.

(kickbanned from #uncyclopedia)

(/joining #uncyclopedia)

(redirected to some channel like #uncyclopedia-faggots or something like that)

I think that's a pretty accurate re-enactment. pillow talk 20:42, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hahaha that was me. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 20:44 Jul 29 2010

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Mordillo is talking about. --Andorin Kato 20:46, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

sarcasm much? -- Prof. Olipro KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 20:48, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

I was trying to get a rewrite moved to mainspace yesterday way past midnight, and once I was in IRC I was speechless for thirty minutes because of what was happening/had happened. And here I was thinking IRC was mainly, er, FOR PROJECT DISCUSSION AND SIMILAR TASKS. Please Uncyc IRC, think of the prudish newbie-ish writers. I know it's a scarce minority of users, but still. Sir MacMania GUN—[20:47 29 Jul 2010]

Hyperbole, raw and live, in concert

[23:24] <horacedonaldwest> how do people know its part of the vfd contest, do i put it on vfd.
[23:24] <horacedonaldwest> am i allowed to vote on vfd or will that mean i'm banned again.
[23:59] <horacedonaldwest> i did 2 articles i hope that is okay
[00:03] <horacedonaldwest> what is +cat.
[00:03] <e|m|c> Category
[00:03] <horacedonaldwest> oh
[00:03] <e|m|c> Yeh
[00:04] <horacedonaldwest> okay
[00:04] <e|m|c> So what happens naow
[00:04] <horacedonaldwest> i think they go on vfd now
[00:05] <horacedonaldwest> but i dont know if im allowed to vote on vfd
[00:23] <horacedonaldwest> i dont understand what im supposed to do now about my articles please help

I'd give that a 7 out of 10 for irritation -- Prof. Olipro KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 20:55, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

So, from what I gather...

Ape, Dex and myself are a triumvirate of evil who must be destroyed. We must vote on this. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 22:44 Jul 29 2010

Score: +1

1. For. We must be destroyed. I hate us. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 22:44 Jul 29 2010
2. For. They must die--If you're 555 then I'm Talk What's it like to be a heretic? 00:24, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

It very easy to play a blame game, but it seems a number of people have lost sight of what Uncyclopedia is all about. What we have here is a community of contributors each member of which brings their own unique flavour of humour into the mix, and somehow, where it all mixes together sometimes something wonderful happens. Within that environment people are going to end up with hurt feelings over certain issues, people are going to abuse certain additional "powers" they have, but somehow, for the most part, we mostly get the balance right allowing people the freedom to express themselves, whilst trying to protect users from those who would seek to make this place less than enjoyable for those here to contribute.

That to me is key....finding that balance. Having the freedom to do and say whatever you like comes with a responsibility, and the need to recognise that there are other members of the same community who may have differing views but who need to find a way that they can find that balance. I don't believe anyone is blaming anybody for anything, however when an individual or even a group repeatedly acts in a way that alienates and frustrates longstanding members of the community then matters need to be addressed. That goes for users, admins and crats alike.

Somebody once said that Uncyclopedia isn't a democracy and they were right, Uncyclopedia is what you want it to be. As with all social experiments some people are going to end up with bigger sticks and will make "errors" of judgement. I hold my hands up and say I have acted in ways far removed from perfect and done things for all the wrong reasons, however I would like to think that I have always tried to hold the needs of the community at the forefront of my actions. Sometimes I've had to ban people that I regret having had to, for me the commitment people have made to long term contributing to the site goes a long way, and I would mostly prefer to find a "diplomatic" solution. Often that just isn't possible.

Last night I witnessed one of our most featured writers eating so much humble pie I'm surprised he didn't choke and practically begging to have what appears to me to be a rather pointless ban removed. I could see him getting more and more frustrated by the reactions of others to the point he began to say things he would probably regret. Others who witnessed this treatment, including some VERY active contributors, have threatened to walk away from the site. I think we have reached one of those moments were we all need to sit down and to look at what we have become, and what we wish to become.

If contributing to Uncyclopedia is important to your life you need to recognise that it isn't just your individual contributions that make it what it is, but those of the whole community. Do your actions enable this community to flourish and grow, or are you too wrapped up in your own ego to allow this? Many of us need to spend some time really considering what we are doing here, I would think it is a valid question that all of us should ask from time to time.... -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Their bark = worse than their bite. --nachlader 09:08, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

*applauds* --UU - natter 09:37, Jul 30

You write too well. I'd say that you write what I think, but I'm thinking about daisies. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 10:05, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

YOU WANNA TEAR DOWN #UNCYCLOPEDIA? GO GET YOUR OWN BASEMENT

WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH IRVINE --nachlader 23:59, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Who? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 01:42, 30 July 2010

An oddity

I don't have an IRC client and don't want one. I have, from time to time, peeked in on IRC through both http://irc.wikia.com/irc.cgi and http://irc.wikia.com/unnews/. Each is mentioned in certain helpful pages on Uncyclopedia. But UnNews isn't in the former, and nothing other than UnNews is in the latter. Isn't that odd? And in the former, it always creates a phony username for me, and I cannot override it with my real handle. If I need to be brought up to speed, please advise on my talk page. Spıke Ѧ 01:14 30-Jul-10

Thank you.

That's all I have to say.--HM (T)

Comedy is serious business. Sir Modusoperandi ^Boinc! 08:44, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the spinning Jew star

Now, can people calm down, start being civil to each other, and go write some funny articles? --UU - natter 08:25, Jul 30

I am going to take a stand right now and say that "Go write an article" is perhaps the worst "positive" catchphrase that I've heard spewed since that fucking Martin Van Buren invented the thumb-and-forefinger fuckhole. Clearly some users have problems with each other and it isn't going to resolve itself by simply putting down their pitchforks and picking up pencils. Writing articles is nice and all, and really 80% of what Uncyclopedia is about, but it isn't a solution to everything. It's rarely a solution to anything. Reminding people that writing is something we do isn't going to change anything.

That rant aside, I stand by Woodburner's sentiments on the other forum. It's something that I tried to tell Andorin but he seemed too stubborn to listen. Uncyclopedia's become an enormous ego trip: I think that's the core problem here. Just about the only 2 people who have said anything sensible in this whole discussion are Mhaille and Woody, whose essays overlap on two very important points. We need to stop what we're doing, take a look at ourselves, and have a frank discussion. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 09:44, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

And there was me thinking it was a fairly non-threatening phrase, and a good way of avoiding saying anything that could be interpreted as favouring one group of users over another (when I don't really have an interest in singling people out one way or another), while indicating that all I, personally, would like to see is a few more funny articles. Never mind. ;-) I agree we need to clear the air somewhat, because it is getting a little close. But I'd still like to see some funny articles too - I like funny articles! --UU - natter 09:54, Jul 30

Bananas are good. No, wait, that makes no sense here either. Sir MacMania GUN—[14:49 30 Jul 2010]

Saying civil things. You guys are fun, everyone of you. I don't know what all the problems are, but ones I've contributed to are trying to protect VFD's which I thought were unfair (BUTT POOP being deleted while being a VFG page at the same time, and one of its creators favorite things here, so said deletion drove him off into the bushes) and reacting to bullying that usually shows up as unfair bans (i.e. * vs # = 3 days). My only other problem is it seems that lots of people vote in favor of all articles on VFH that they find funny, no matter the user, while others vote mostly for their friends pages which then handicaps the other entries. That seems unfair, the "dead to me" thing that Dex talks about. This shows up in other ways too. In other words, a group acting in unison from an off-site agreement, proven or unprovable. Not that big of a problem either, all that can be eased with a word or two. And maybe if Israel can get rid of those damn settlements which are erected on the acquifers, which is what that's all about. And the whole corporate thing, where the legal basis of a corporation is to do anything they can to make money for their sit-on-their ass shareholders. That too. Aleister 16:10 30 7

All these comments are too long to hold my attention but I agree nevertheless. --Black Flamingo 16:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

VFG? I don't think that's a legitimate overrider to VFD, people wanted it gone although I had no idea how much that Mnb-whatever guy cared about it or that its deletion would lead to him leaving, but frankly, if he can't deal with VFD decisions then he's better off elsewhere, not to mention the fact that he and anyone else was and is completely free to maintain the template in their personal userspace. As for VFH, I don't think there's really a conspiracy there, I find it far more likely that if you see people are mainly voting for their friends articles, it's probably because they're not actually visiting VFH that much but their friends ARE whoring articles to them, I don't think there's any conspiracy there. -- Prof. Olipro KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 16:33, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

See, talking things out. Now what about the acquifers, how are you going to explain that away? Not so easy, huh? Aleister 16:37 30 7

VFG is in no way official. But if five people vote to say that an article is good and they liked it, that's a sign that if a VFD is 6-0 after 4 hours... it's probably because those five people haven't logged on in those four hours. What really bothered me about the BUTT POOP controversy is that everyone here has idiotic, unfunny in-jokes they like - whether it's A wizard did it or Euroipods or The word parakeet written exactly two hundred and forty-two times or whatever. The way BUTT POOP got handled, a few admins were throwing their weight around saying "My stupid injokes can stay but yours can't" - and when we finally got them to just leave it alone, it was hit by a very fly-by-night VFD when, under the rules of VFD at that time, it probably would have survived except for bad timing. The whole thing was just fucking lame. If four or five Uncyclopedians like something, and it's not hurting anything, then campaigning for its removal is just dickery. pillow talk 07:04, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Let's not start this again.--HM (T)

I don't know, HELPME, maybe you don't feel this way, but sometimes it feels a little like "Hey! Does anyone who wasn't here by 2006 count for anything?" There are a hundred articles on this site that are mega stupid and have utterly no redeeming value - but take something insanely stupid like Senator to VFD and it survives, no problem, because, you know, it's from 2005. If it's from 2005, it's... revered. pillow talk 07:11, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

But anyway, I'm gonna stop complaining about that now. Gonna stop complaining about the big, giant horse turd that is Senator, polluting up our wiki. Nope. Not gonna mention that I FUCKING HATE Senator... okay... I'm done. pillow talk 07:18, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I've had a little bit too much vodka tonight. I was going to have beer, but I had a horrible stomachache and couldn't trust myself to walk to the store. pillow talk 07:19, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Lest I soil myself. pillow talk 07:19, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Which, by the way, I did not do. pillow talk 07:20, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I know, it sucks and all and I am not siding with anyone. I'm just saying that bringing back up an issue that drove away one person in the forum, where everyone will probably see it, is not a good idea.--HM (T)

And for God's sake, you edit conflicted me four times.--HM (T)

I know, that's why I kept posting. And, you know, he's gone. I don't think anyone else is angry enough over not being allowed to eat apples with Mike Tyson to leave the wiki. But I miss him. I had to have an Mnbvcxz pillow made to hold between my knees while I sleep. pillow talk 07:25, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

He was good at site maintenance and he really, really, really wanted us to have an article about iCarly. He asked me like nine times if I'd write an article about iCarly. I even started watching iCarly to see if I could find an angle for that. I'm 32 years old, and I'm sitting there watching "iTake on Dingo." See what I'm saying? pillow talk 07:28, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I forgive you. Mister Victim (talk) 07:31, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I don't need your soup!! pillow talk 07:35, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, Blackflamingo11, your article on Garak got me watching Deep Space 9, and it is indeed fantastic. It inspired me to read the article on Gul Dukat, which is a steaming pile of shit. But you know who watchlisted it and spent 20 minutes trying to improve it? That's right. Mnbvcxz. pillow talk 07:33, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I had a point, here. pillow talk 07:33, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I believe your point was that I should be the next sysop due to my insightful televisual recommendations. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Black Flamingo 10:10, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

"Go write an article"

The above expression, which I usually hear from Mordillo, is annoyingly Motherly, but I take it to mean, gently, "Let the drama end now," and it usually works. In the previous section, Froggy refuses. "We need to stop what we're doing, take a look at ourselves, and have a frank discussion." But putting content on hold would slide toward exactly the "enormous ego trip" he says we are becoming. I haven't had issues with Froggy (except for the day he set out to solve the problem that I was winning an award too frequently, and that's settled). Separately, when one miscommunicates with someone, saying "he seemed too stubborn to listen" (thank you for adding seemed) is one-sided, as with the user page where Froggy announces his return to the site, with a newly bad attitude, to which everyone else must adapt, in the style of the Fat Acceptance League. Are you simply picking fights? If so, go write an article. Spıke Ѧ 10:31 31-Jul-10

I wouldn't say "motherly" as such, but a subtle way of saying "shut the fuck up with the complaining and get back to what the site is all about, you whinging fuckwits". People have differing styles of dealing with people, sometimes a gentle talk will do the trick, sometimes stronger methods are needed, however I have a pretty big problem with people using the big stick methodology when it is completely unnecessary. Having a "bad attitude" with people does little other than generate resentment and bad feeling amongst the very people we as a community should be supporting. "Respect me, I'm an admin" is a load of shite, respect is earned through your actions, and is some considerable way off the attitude of "fear me, I've got a big stick and I'm an antisocial arsehole with little better to do that to cause pointless drama in an effort to stroke my somewhat fragile ego". If people don't wish to play nice they should strongly consider not playing at all. And if in doubt, go write an article. -- Sir Mhaille  (talk to me)

Stirring the pot

In the interests of starting a shitstorm, I would like to point out that charitwo has had a +o on for practically HOURS without actually doing anything, a clear violation of rule #4 listed above.     EugeneKay wuz here (whine thank)   22:45, Thursday 05 August 2010  

I thought he was the house robot and then I discover he has a user page. Is he dead but the computer remains switched on? --RomArtus*Imperator ® (Orate) 06:15, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Rule #4 refers to the opping of non ops, not the ops opping themselves. Currently, you can't break rule 4 as the channel has the secure mode on. ~ 06:44, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

So, I don't get a ban? Jeeze, what's a guy gotta do around here to pad his ban count. :-(     EugeneKay wuz here (whine thank)   09:39, Friday 06 August 2010