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TL;DR: The content and much of the active community of Uncyclopedia is now at en.uncyclopedia.co. The Wikia based version will continue to exist for those who choose to stay.

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Some of the admins who helped move the site, from left to right: Lyrithya, Hotadmin4u69, Frosty, and Zombiebaron

My fellow Uncyclopedians,

I originally thought Wikia was a great host for Uncyclopedia when I joined in 2006. The perks as I understood them were that we could remain ad-free, keep our copyright status, keep the uncyclopedia.org domain, and have free hosting on great severs. All of this came without any content censorship from Wikia of any sort. Over the course of six years they implemented ads for other Wikia wikis on our site, changed our domain to uncyclopedia.wikia.com, deleted content they did not approve of, and added a content warning to our website whose effects on our readership we can only speculate about since we are not privy to our own traffic statistics. Our biggest frustration with this company is their lack of communication with our community regarding the above major policy changes and even minor ones. And our community has opposed almost every policy change made by Wikia, which unfortunately has led to many valued contributors quitting our site in protest.

A plethora of Uncyclopedia administrators and editors have been working on and off on a plan to move the site for many months, and the day of reckoning is finally upon us. We are pleased to announce the move of uncyclopedia.wikia.com to en.uncyclopedia.co will be completed on Saturday, January 5th, exactly eight years since Chronarion originally founded Uncyclopedia as an independent entity. We invite all Uncyclopedians to join us in cutting the red tape on Saturday. Everyone will be able to log in since everything will have been brought over from uncyclopedia.wikia.com domain. Please message Lyrithya on her talk page though if you have any issues regarding your log-ins or any problems with the new domain in general. Edits made to the Wikia site after you read this probably will not be transferred to the new site. Please join us in celebrating on IRC.

The path forward will not be an easy one, and we will take on greater responsibilities as a community without Wikia providing hosting services, but I believe our community is fully capable of hosting the site independently and using all of the money to host and grow the site. Uncyclopedia has the potential to be profitable and it would absolutely thrive if it were monetized for the good of the community rather than our for-profit host. January 5th is our first step. But for this move to be successful, and because Wikia will still maintain their version of our site, we must overtake the uncyclopedia.wikia.com domain in traffic. This can only be done if the majority of the community is on board to finally make this happen. Understandably there are a lot of hesitations when we consider organizing the site to become self-sufficient, or implementing ads to help pay for our server costs. Those of us involved in moving the site are of course obligated to allow for the whole community to become involved in making such decisions when the time comes for those decisions to be made. The only decision we really need to make now is whether we decide to stagnate with the limitations of being hosted by Wikia or whether we decide to at least try and find a better way. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 05:37 Jan 3 2013

I am Zombiebaron and I approve this message. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 05:39, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Boner. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 05:41, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wait wait how come we didn't vote on this??? Users! Democracy advocacy boobs penis tits what happened to all the tits, there used to be real humor standards here advocacy but junior uncyclopedia millions of dollars in server costs celebrity endorsement NO ADVERTISING no admins either but what about advocacy millions of advocacies I knew a comedian once he can save us all with millions of servers and advocacy but NO ADVERTISING corporation humor funny australians mhaille fu spang idk peace -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 05:48, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

go eat shit fuckers Man, you didn't even have the courtesy to thank me for nomming you for WotY. Maybe with the move you'll grow up a little bit. All I wanted to do with the move was help with fundraising and public relations and to try to keep the ads away. Profit is not a motive to move. TKF, your sister owes me a blowjob for all the crap you've given me. And will Zana Dark be banned from the new site too? (things like that are a concern) Aleister 12:47 3-1-'13

We will be importing the existing blocklists as much for security as anything else. If Zana Dark is to be given another chance, that is up to the admins same as it always has been. Profit, however, is... mostly a joke at this point, but if we can make money and spend it on developers and servers and ssl certificates and... er... I mean, on prizes for contests and providing better merchandise and advertising for this site on other sites, that would be very cool. -— Lyrithya ༆ 19:00, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Why does no one ever drink my champagne? -- Kip > Talk • Works • • 06:11, Jan. 3, 2013

That was a very stirring speech. Now I'm not just ready for the move, I'm also prepared to annex the Sudentenland, whatever the fuck that is.--Bill Melater (talk) 07:54, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I believe that's where cough syrup is manufactured, but don't quote me on that. -RAHB 09:28, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, Is Lyrithya chinese? :D Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 09:29, 3 January, 2013 (UTC)

Well, Chief Justice and I may be the only other ones still editing this site. Even though he claims I'm gay. The way my questions have been treated by the group moving, the mocking by froggy because I insist on no ads, my offer to help with obtaining funding to keep us ad free and to up our public relations (both answered with silence or mocking from the people organizing this, except for Lythira or whatever the name is), and just the general attitude of "We're in control and no one else has any say" makes me concerned about what will happen. This site right here will be where people will come from search-engine traffic for a long long time - they have the ability to up the count to bring people here. And when they start with huge ads I'll be gone from here too, so I hope the other site works and works well, and things occur which will make it a more inclusive atmosphere than it has been here the past several weeks. Aleister 11:53 3-1-'13

Wait Al, did I see that same text somewhere else? SPAM. Cat the Colourful (Feed me!) Zzz 12:05, 3 January, 2013 (UTC)

Spam. I never ate spam. It looked too gooey. Can I be just "Aleister" at the new site, I tried logging in over there but nothing works yet. Just Al

Yeah you can create a new account on the 5th. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 18:56 Jan 3 2013

Just log in with this one and we should be able to rename the account to whatever you prefer. (That way all the edits will still be attributed to your main account regardless of the name.) -— Lyrithya ༆ 19:02, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

As a foreigner...

I have some questions:

1. What would you like us to do concerning the interwiki links? I suppose you'll want us to direct to the new version, so it might be a good idea to relay that to the other Uncycs.
2. Was this decided by the majority of the Uncyc Users? As much as I hate Wikia's attitude, I do need to know if this is a small rebellion or a massive protest.
3. How come the site doesn't work yet? It says I have to log in, but I can't, nor can I sign up. Is this going to work from Jan. 5?

Thanks in advance,
User:Lars863/sig | 12:55, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Right on, Lars! I second the questions. All in favor say, WTF?--Funnybony  14:32, Jan 3

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Joking! Joking!!--Funnybony  14:26, Jan 3

OK, funny pic, but could someone please answer these questions, because this situation is pretty confusing, especially since there is no announcement anywhere on the site. Seeing as you should be moving the day after tomorrow, that's odd. | User:Lars863/sig | 14:38, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and by us, I mean the other Uncycs, of course, in my case the Dutch. If someone could do a kind of press release here, that'd be awesome. | User:Lars863/sig | 14:42, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

We Germans are watching you too, I third Lars's questions ... And then I'm wondering if we could and should follow you. NaturalBornKieler (talk) 14:49, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please direct all interwikis to the new site. This was decided by all of the site admins and kept private from the users so as not to give anyone false hope, but now that we have gone public most everybody reasonable is with us. The site doesn't work right now because it isn't January 5th yet. On January 5th the site will work. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 15:15, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Last I checked (and it's been a while) Korea is independent, Russia is independent. To get interwikis for those two, you will need to contact each of them individually. Many of the others are on my servers (four co-located boxes and one rented server), so please let me know once the new site is ready and the interwiki data needs to be updated on my end. --carlb@kingston.net (talk) 18:32, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

We have also talked with our other foreign language sites, including Nonciclopedia, Inciclopedia, and Nonciclopedia. They are all willing to move away from Wikia but have decided to see how our move goes before jumping on board. We can link out to them but they probably won't be able to link to our new URL. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 18:51 Jan 3 2013

I likely still have some registered domains (in order to grab these names before the spammers and link farms got them) which would be of use to these project should they decide to move. The actual content could be hosted anywhere, I have no direct stake in the matter. For that matter, if you wanted en.uncyclopedia.info, mirror.uncyc.org or whatever I could CNAME them to the new project, just let me know. Carlb (talk) 20:30, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

YES PL0X. Get in contact with Zombiebaron or Lyrithya on IRC (irc.freenode.net #uncyclopedia or here). ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Fri, Jan 4 '13 4:48 (UTC)

Another question

What will be the official policy, if any, regarding posting articles at both sites? Against the rules, merely in poor taste, or not an issue at all? I think exclusive content would validate the existence and also enhance the value of the new site. --Bill Melater (talk) 18:32, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I personally do not know or care about Wikia's policy on the uncyclopedia.wikia.com domain. The uncyclopedia.co site will have the same policy as before Wikia implemented the content warning and the deletion of boobies. After January 5th we will not import edits from the wikia.com domain anymore. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 18:48 Jan 3 2013

So lets say somebody writes an article "Close-up of Hillary Clintons taint reveals image of Christ", can he, she or it post the article at both sites at the same time, or would that be against the rules?--Bill Melater (talk) 19:04, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

That would absolutely be fine. But they should obviously post it on the uncyclopedia.co site first. Or only. I say again that for the move to be successful we have to overtake the wikia.com domain in traffic. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 19:07 Jan 3 2013

Ok, just wanted to clear that up, not that I plan to do any double posting. I'm going to do all I can to make sure the new place gets most of the taint related traffic.--Bill Melater (talk) 19:20, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

I assume this will be 5 January 00:00 UCT. -- Kip > Talk • Works • • 19:13, Jan. 3, 2013

No, it will be UTC, not UCT. Since when did the University of Cape Town become a time standard? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:27, 4 January 2013

Fuck yeah

That is all.

From your dickish asshole,

→A (Fallen Reich)_{19:49 3 January 2013}

I am Confused.

I think if the site moves then the Wikia site has got to be deleted. Otherwise it's a stupid plan.

With no moderators/admins/people to keep order it will become a seething cesspool of stupidity in short order, people unaware the domain has changed will think Uncyclopedia has gone down the drain, and nobody will visit it anymore because they don't know that the official site has just moved.

Or are only some admins moving and others staying? Is it going to become a competition between the two sites or something?

Also, how will people uninformed of these changes know which Uncyclopedia Google result to click on? Won't it be confusing to have two websites called Uncyclopedia? --Comicat1 (talk) 23:25, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Obviously the first few weeks are going to be confusing. Some admins (myself included) will be splitting their time between both sites to help ensure a smooth transition. Eventually we hope to use the Wikia site as an external project of the new site, possibly as a parody of Simple English Wikipedia. We will need help from the whole community so that the new site can overtake the Wikia version in traffic and on Google. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 23:41, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Which will be made easier by the fact that we manage all of the official Uncyclopedia social media pages. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 00:26 Jan 4 2013

There already is a parody of the Simple English encyclopedia at http://simple.uncyc.org which has been there for years. Carlb (talk) 02:28, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia Ltd.?

Should Uncyclopedia be its own legal entity, like the Wikimedia Foundation? —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 00:04, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

For what purpose? --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 00:24 Jan 4 2013

To manage our brand. We can't have others setting up websites and calling them Uncyclofoobar. We need to grab onto those trademarks. Also, we may be able to grab uncyc.net by using the UDRP. —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 00:27, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

UDRP was already done once (in 2008, to liberate desciclopedia.org) and could be done again, although the target .net domain should likely be "uncyclopedia" and not "uncyc". Do keep in mind that UDRP arbitration costs at least $1000 (based on the trademark already existing) and takes several months, so don't rely on it as a means to get a domain on which to deploy a site this weekend, for instance. Carlb (talk) 00:56, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not thinking of that. I have an even grander idea. —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 01:27, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

We trademark "root-servers.net" and sue ICANN to make them turn over the entire domain name system? Carlb (talk) 01:34, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds awesome. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Fri, Jan 4 '13 4:47 (UTC)

Sounds fun, but not what I was thinking. We start a partner program called the "Uncyc Comedy Network" by which other websites advertise for us (instead of us doing the advertising), in return for which we license articles to them beyond the permissions of CC-BY-NC-SA. —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 21:56, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

That could just as easily be "uncyc.com" as "uncyc.net", if you didn't want to bother with another UDRP case. Carlb (talk) 22:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Let's be clear...

This wiki isn't going anywhere. There will be a new wiki at the new address, and everyone will have the choice whether to edit here, there or on both wikis (of course, if you choose the last option, it would have to be without you damaging or diminishing either wiki in any way.) -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 00:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Correct. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 01:38 Jan 4 2013

I've edited on multiple wikis before, and done minimal damage to either wiki, other than some people complaining about the existence of multiple wikis on the same topic with the same content. The fact that importing of content from this wiki will stop at a certain point will help clear up some of that issue, since it is a fork this time, rather than a mirror. I plan on working with both sites where possible. Since I don't write many new articles, the competition between the two sites for articles that I might create shouldn't be a factor. But for some who do write articles, the question remains: which wiki will they write on, or will they write for both? I understand this will be up to the individuals involved. -- Simsilikesims(♀GUN) Talk here. 01:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'll write for who I damn well please and I think it's very selfish of Wikia to tell me otherwise. -RAHB 02:01, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Wait,what,who? -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 03:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

What I mean is that if I choose to contribute to both sites, I think that I should be able to as long as I'm not contributing to this "competition" bullshit that I'm hearing. I don't want a competition, I want to fork from Wikia and still make sure that the Wikia site is taken care of, if people are going to be coming to it thinking it is representative of Uncyclopedia. And if I want to post an article to both of them (which I don't actually plan on doing, but who knows), I think I should be able to, because, whether I like Wikia or not, and whether I want to move or not, I am a member of both communities and should be treated as such. Is that a problem? -RAHB 04:33, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

What dis ^ cracka said. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Fri, Jan 4 '13 4:47 (UTC)

RAHB: Not at all, I agree completely. As I said above, "everyone will have the choice whether to edit [...] on both wikis". The only qualification I gave is that, if they do, they shouldn't do so in a way that damages or diminishes either wiki. I did say (on the other forum page) that in my experience it's difficult (if not impossible) for admins to genuinely work for the welfare and growth of two competing wikis - and I stand by that, including the description of them as "competing" . Can you honestly say that you hope this wiki gets and keeps as many editors and readers as the new one? And that it continues to be at the top of search results? The idea of a fork is to make a wiki that suits you better, and that you hope suits the rest of the community better. It's not to create another mirror. So obviously, for the fork to be a success, you need people to choose to edit and read that version rather than this. How can that be reconciled with also trying to get people to choose to edit and read this (initially identical) version? It's a clear conflict of interest. -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 18:08, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

If anybody seriously stays on this wiki, they will officially from this day forward be known as a "niggerfaggot". ONX (talk) 02:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

But what if I'm already a niggerfaggot? --ShabiDOO 18:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Your language offends me, as I hate both niggers and faggots. ~jcm 04:30, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

HUH

I'm really surprised that the opening of the new site happened, all of a sudden without even a count down or a chance for everyone to get their bitchin and venting out. I think that was a very very BAD decision, somewhat irresponsible and something that should be put on hold...like now...for even just a couple days. Seriously! --ShabiDOO 02:49, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Logins don't even work on the new site so it isn't even really open yet, another 24 hours or so to go before we can even go see what the new site is like. I'm surprised they announced it this early. -- Simsilikesims(♀GUN) Talk here. 02:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Can you imagine what it would have been like if we'd said "Okay. It's here. Right now. Go." on the day the logins started working? O_o -RAHB 04:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Worried

OK, so I'm worried about how smoothly things will go tomorrow. I don't know what edits you have planned on this wiki, but I suspect there may be ones that we'll find problematic. I'm not expecting wholesale vandalism or deletion of articles of course. But we have seen edits during other forks, such as MediaWiki message edits, CSS and JavaScript changes, changes to the skin, main page or templates... all to advertise or support the new wiki.

Then we get into the destructive pattern of edit warring between staff and admins, and rights warring between staff and bureaucrats. Ultimately, what has happened elsewhere, is that we have ended up removing rights to prevent this happening. That causes drama, bad feelings, and all round nastiness - and you know how much I prefer the nice.

The current site notice is actually the first of these flash-points. As I've said elsewhere, it's not OK to use the sitenotice to advertise your new wiki. The links to conversations about it are fine, but the link directly to the new site needs to go. I removed it last night, but was reverted. I didn't re-revert because I really don't want to go the edit/rights war route (and because I wanted to go to bed) but the change has to happen.

So my first request is that the link is removed. And secondly, I'd like to talk about any fork-related changes you are considering making to this wiki before you make them. Thanks -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 20:03, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Wikia sucks! • Spang • ☃ • talk • 21:16, 04 Jan 2013

It's funny because the above attitude is the very reason we're leaving in the first place... ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 22:35, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sanse, I'm sorry you have to read antagonism like this. Some people will have their differences and fork, but the "wikia sucks" and insults any possible vandalism that may come up, is super retarded, childish and breaks uncyclopedias rule number 2 in atomic proportions. I don't believe it represents the majority of wikipedians views, and I for one appreciate the obscene amount of patience you've shown and clearly large amount of time you've put into careful wording your messages and putting things out in the open in clear language. That's not to say that I love you. There only person in this world I love is Zombiebaron, I can just imagine him, sitting ontop of a white horse, with his dreadlocks blowing in the wind. Yeah! --ShabiDOO 22:41, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sannse, although we all love you, nobody wants to talk with you. You're from Wikia. We don't give a rat's ass about Wikia anymore. Which is, oddly, as Frosty so nicely pointed out, why we're moving. It's your rules we don't like. And now you're even trying to rule over our departure from your wretched company? Not happening. →A (Fallen Reich)_{22:43 4 January 2013} And don't ever edit-conflict me again, ShabiDOO.

Seconding Shabidoo. We have a hosting agreement with you, some of us have honest disagreements in the creative sphere, but the children with the Entitlement Mentality who have been led to believe that it is valiant to "speak truth to power"--that is, to exude defiance rather than work toward resolution of disagreements--should get off their soap-box and maybe even get a job. It is totally understandable that Wikia does not want its resources used to undercut its service. By the way, it is absurd to propose that Wikia force Sannse to recuse herself in favor of a Wikia representative with no understanding of the history and the issues. Spıke Ѧ 22:50 4-Jan-13

Have to agree with SPIKE on this one. I hate the way Wikia's been dealing with us just as much as anyone does, but it's no excuse for comments such as Aimsplode's, who incidentally (if you hadn't figured out already, which you probably have because he sticks out like a sore thumb with a tremendous blister protruding from it) doesn't speak on behalf of the community, he just thinks he can. : ) -RAHB 05:51, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I recall years ago, when Chronarion sold the domain, that there were concerns that Wikia would censor content or make detrimental changes to the wiki. I also recall Wikia insisting that wasn't going to happen. Funny how things change. In any case, if the community wants to go elsewhere, they will. Wikitravel tried suing contributors to fight a decision by its users to fork; see how well that worked? The only result was to alienate the few contributors who were left. I really hope we do not have to go that route. Carlb (talk) 22:54, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I can understand that Wikia would be against us "advertising" the new domain, but what is and isn't allowable according to your corporate superiors? If a simple link that isn't even formatted in a special way so as to draw extra attention to it isn't allowed, I'm assuming a message like "(we're not allowed to link it in the sitenotice, but feel free to check out the link in one of the forums)" following the non-linked words "a new domain" would be out of the question too. Are we allowed to make the link stand out in the linked forums? Please elaborate, sannse. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:52, 4 January 2013

Carlb: better to look at how we handle forks, rather than how other hosts do. We respect the right to fork, and are not trying to prevent that (much as we would love to be able to persuade everyone to stay). However, there is a difference between supporting the right to fork, and allowing the use of our resources to promote that fork.

Socky, elaborating on that is exactly why I'm here. My hope is that we can make this a smooth change with clear communication and mutual civility (and chocolate, I intend to use a lot of chocolate in this process).

The text you suggest to replace the link is OK (I'm not saying I like it of course, but...). I'm also OK with a <big> on the link. But I would ask that you make it clearer that leaving is an option for each person, rather than a done-deal for all. The start of this page at the moment talks about moving the site, rather than there being a fork that will leave this wiki intact. If the sitenotice is pointing here, that is likely to confuse people who aren't aware of their options. -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 23:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, I'm confused. Why aren't we allowed to advertise the link to the new wiki in the sitenotice? That makes no sense! You make no sense! And why won't you delete this wiki? We've had to put up with your crap for years now, don't make it hard for us to leave. ~[ths] UotM 02:24, 01/05/2013

It's so funny how Wikia don't want to leave Uncyclopedia. This means that Wikia fucks Uncyclopedia... no? --Klaymen (talk) 02:28, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

@Dan Because Wikias a bunch of dicks. -- Кıяву ^Тαгк _{Сойтяıвs} 2013-01-06T22:07

Did we really have to go this route?

I think this is a bit extreme. Totally fork the wiki, but did anyone consider negotiating, like, a contract with Wikia, where our staying here is contingent on their acceptance of the contract? For example, they agree to use uncyclopedia.org, not to put ads on the site, and last but not least not to censor stuff unless it is illegal. —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 06:10, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Gee. No. We never thought that. That's a good plan. You should draw up the contract and send it to them. I bet they'd go for that. -RAHB 06:17, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll start a draft in my userspace. And make it funny. —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 06:22, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

RAHB, remember when you banned me for being a sarcastic dick? --ShabiDOO 06:31, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Or maybe Qzekrom is being sarcastic too? Or are you also sarcastic?? Didn't we used to ever tell jokes??????? -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 07:14, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm serious. I'm talking about a serious document that imitates legalese such that it's funny. —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 07:16, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I am never sarcastic. Didn't you know that? --ShabiDOO 14:51, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

What's gonna happen to our accounts?

Do we have to go through the process of making new accounts? And what about all the photos and articles? |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Pinoy CUN|IC Kill | 09:04, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Please see-rest of the forum. --Lord Scofield Stark 09:56, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The new site...

...seems very nice, with good energy. I like the opening statement which was issued as a press release, it seems very principled. Things look and act just like they do here, but with some humorous glitches. Yet this wikia site will be first in the search engines for a long time to come, so it will be a slow growth. I'll play on both sites, as many people will, and help make sure that this one looks its best. The optimum thing for all involved would be for Wikia to just be nice and redirect everything to the new site, and I hope that can be worked out when the dust clears and the legalize plays out (would Wikia want us to pay all the costs it has cost to run this site for six years, minus the value of traffic to their other wiki's?). I am hesitantly encouraged. Aleister 14:22 Uncyclopedia's 8th Birthday '13

New year, new home for Uncyclopedia. --Klaymen (talk) 14:55, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yep. But please remember to indent correctly. —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 15:10, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The press release

Who's responsible for sending it to newspapers and such? —qzekrom.net16.net clicky! 15:12, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

You. But it's not really a press release in terms of a copy editor seeing it, they won't read it for more than a few seconds because it's not written in the form of a press release. It would work best after a one-on-one phone contact or sit-down with someone from an e-site or a hard-copy newsdesk. Aleister 15:15 8th birthday (I used to do that stuff)

When will it be ready?

When will it be ready? MagicBus (talk) 15:12, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's ready right now! Check it out! -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 15:39, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm getting the press release message for every page I try to visit except Special:UserLogin. Does that mean I have to log-in in order to view the wiki? Schamschi, 15:50, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yes. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 16:01, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

The name of this forum is misleading

Uncyclopedia hasn't moved. It has forked. Can this forum be adjusted accordingly?                                • Puppy's talk page • 01:58 06 Jan

Check out the Wikipedia entry on us. It got changed, if you have a Wikipedia account you may want to make it more NPOV. Besides, much of the community has moved, and some of us have decided to edit both places for awhile. -- Simsilikesims(♀GUN) Talk here. 02:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

The name of this forum doesn't say that Uncyclopedia has moved, as you claim. If you'd like to discuss this further come on over to the sexy new site. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 02:32, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

It is also worth noting the vast majority of the community has left for the new site. The number on the new site greatly outweighs that of the old site. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 02:39, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

It is worth noting that “move” and “split” are two different words. Much of the community has gone over to look - as I have - does not mean that they have decided to outright leave here. The fact that the majority of comments refer to editing both sites (Lyrithya excepted), also suggests otherwise. The forum is entitled “move” (in the same way we initially “moved” from uncyclopedia.org), and the opening statement refers to “moving” several times. This is not talking about an alternative site. It's talking about changing over completely. People are already talking about Wikia being nice and closing this site. (Which would actually encourage me to reopen it, as I'm not going over to a site owned by a handful of individuals who have a tendency to be autocratic.)                                • Puppy's talk page • 03:03 06 Jan

I wish

Oh finally we'll be at uncy.co. Never more Wikia, Sannse, Angela, VegaFuck and their AbuseFilter bots kicking me from uncy. Never more Sir Frosty, Lyrythia, Chiefjustice and Zombiebaron as admins. Never more ungrateful people as Frosty (who became admin after my campaign) and PuppyOnTheRadio (released and flagged after my campaign). Only ROMAN DOG TURD and ME. I wish to do good wolvervandalisms upon the juicy taste of diarrhea at uncy.co as I did here. Yeah! Best of Wishes! --WWWUTJTODS 05:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I do look forward to setting loose our brand new Hounds of Hades on you, Wolverhampton, and watching them devour your flesh. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sun, Jan 6 '13 6:06 (UTC)

But we'll miss your presence on this site. How will we survive without you artificially bumping up our number of site visits and active users that has warranted Wikia paying for our server space for so long?                                • Puppy's talk page • 06:14 06 Jan

Addressing a few concerns

I just want to address some very legitimate concerns that have been expressed about this and am happy to respond to any further concerns.

The issue over whether it's a "move", a "fork", or an "exodus" is worth noting, so I'd prefer we call it an "exodus". The title and multiple uses of the word "move" might mislead people to believe that the entire community is moving, or that maybe this version of the site won't exist, or that maybe we're using U-Hauls to physically transport the site. None of this is of course true as we know from what I originally posted, from sannse's posts, and from our limited budget that forced us to use my uncle's pickup instead of U-Hauls. I also understand the concerns about transparency and the perceived lack of community involvement. I have always supported transparency in decisions made by administrators. In retrospect we probably should have announced this to the community in its early stages but we reluctantly decided to wait because we feared retribution from Wikia. We (who are too numerous for me to name but Zombiebaron has named most of them) reached out to people who might want to help until we had just enough people to make it possible. Since announcing the move we have been entirely transparent about what we have done. Some would still see this as underhanded of us to have done, and I would completely agree with that point of view if not for considering the unique circumstances and possible consequences we were facing. Now, let me say this for what must be the 700th time in my 6-year history at Uncyclopedia: I will not edit on a fucking wiki run by a secretive cabal of unaccountable admins and bureaucrats, and I would not expect anyone to do so. Community consensus is even more important on the new URL since the services Wikia has provided must be provided by the community. My preference is for a community elected Board of Trustees to manage these responsibilities, but that's just my preference. Obviously the community will have to make these important decisions about self-management for itself. For example, I, and those involved in this exodus, have no "Five-Year Plan" for uncyclopedia.co. We have made considerations for how to provide funding for hosting and we will obviously present our own ideas, but I repeat again that I expect these decisions to ultimately be made by the community, however it decides to organize itself. --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 07:37 Jan 6 2013

If you tie a bunch of shopping trolleys together and tie them to the back of a car it's like a U-haul but much cheaper. (See - if there's been community consensus on this you would have known that before!)                                • Puppy's talk page • 07:49 06 Jan

We had overwhelming community consensus in 2008, and we also have a consensus here that if leaving "was possible" we should do it. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 12:15, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I was there. I remember.                                • Puppy's talk page • 12:26 06 Jan

Umm, THIS is a consensus!? Cheers!--Funnybony  13:16, Jan 6

That's from a bunch of people who didn't know about the move (which was underway at the time), or who were involved but didn't want to reveal anything, and were also tired of forums about drama by certain users who shall go nameless here. Also, read what ZB wrote: "if leaving 'was possible' we should do it". Don't just skim other peoples' comments, man. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sun, Jan 6 '13 13:45 (UTC)

Zombie...a vote of -3 is the opposite of a consensus. When the option is A or B and neither A or B has much more support than the other, it is a dead tie. NOT a consensus. Funnybony is right that the move may have attracted more users, if there was more discussion about it how, when, where and why. But those decisions were made by a few people.

That being said. Funnybony and Puppy, theres no reason to really talk about what would have or could have been. Only to stay, go or sit on the fence (as I am myself) and wish each other goodluck :) --ShabiDOO 14:02, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

If you take another look at that forum you will see that there were many Abstain and Against votes made on the basis that what was being proposed was not possible. The vote would have been much higher had everybody been aware of the possibilities. I did not mean to make it seem like I think that votes of -3 represent full community consensus. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 14:21, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I just did a quick tally and if you pretend like every "if we could we should" comment was a for vote, the score should be something like +9. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 14:25, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Who Loves Happy Endings

There was a nice old man and his wife who had several lucky dogs. They were lucky because they had shelter, food, and protection. The couple took care of the dogs, feeding and protecting them and allowing them to play all day.

Then two of the dogs couldn’t hide their nature. They decided that the people were too strict – giving them food at a fixed time – and not pampering them with bubble baths. So they conspired to convince the 3rd dog that they didn’t need the people, and would be better off outside.

So they ran away. But quickly it was dark and they didn’t know a safe place to sleep in a dog-eat-dog world, nor where to get food. Eventually they were hiding in alleyways and eating out of garbage cans. Soon they were haggard and starving so they decided to kill another animal for food. But in stead they got attacked and totally wasted by strays, and ended up bloodied in the dog pound.

The dog pound called the people and were told that the dogs were no longer welcome, and had been replaced with grateful dogs. So the ungrateful dogs were to be put to sleep. But before the dastardly and cruel act could be carried out the three dogs escaped, hopped a train to Washington, joined Microsoft, developed a new OS DOG DOS, sold the odious technology to Bill Gates, and retired in the Virgin Islands, where they died of old age and went to heaven. The End.--Funnybony  14:14, Jan 6

Only one problem with this analogy... there are plenty of wikis who used to be on Wikia, moved elsewhere and really do not want to come back. Illogicopedia comes to mind, as does the Russian uncyclopedia, Absurdopedia. If Wikia were to "euthanise" the abandoned wikis it left open on the old subdomains? No one would shed a tear. Many have asked the old versions be removed, or at least contain a link to the new version, and met with nothing but refusal. Carlb (talk) 20:46, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

We are also not dogs and dogs don't know how to run servers or have a concept of monetary exchange. -RAHB 02:47, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

What will be will be. I'll drop in on both from time to time to see what's been happening. Rabbi Techno kvetch Contribs FOXES 20:11, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rabbi. Thanks for slapping a quick ban on the vandal. How have you been? --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 21:33, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Not too bad, though busy. How are you? Rabbi Techno kvetch Contribs FOXES 13:22, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well busy too and here as well. And I see you have started a new article! I always liked your work on Uncyclopedia but failed a crucial RabbiTechno principle: I voted for my own articles. --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 15:38, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Horse vaginas

Are pretty big. ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Wed, Jan 9 '13 14:03 (UTC)

Consider some of what a poor old mare has been expected to give birth to over the years... the Dodge Colt, the Ford Pinto, the Hyundai Pony... and this really should not come as a surprise. Carlb (talk) 17:27, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Official Move - MY ASS!

Seriously, WTF?

This move MIGHT be a great idea... And if it is, thanks and kudos - so far so good! BUT ... what's to make a reader think this is officialish / anything but an unreasonable power grab ... by a secret Kabul? Or a plot by the Amerikkans to frame the Kabullions? HELP! Reasons for leaving seem far from groundless, but so...? Where TO? Who the hell are these 4 faceless users to anoint themselves new admins? (That's not them in the photo, of course!) Please, some evidence that the community is already THIS move (and behind a move in general) or that this is a reasonable move for the community to get behind and grind with, milords? How 'bout a list of verifiable comments (and or links to diffs) from lots of top contributors showing support and opposition to the move (with a link to the page of top contributors for verification)? If you want folks like the clueless newbie I'm pretending to be I am to get behind this move, provide some handy-dandy basis for doing so. Make it easy for contributors (most importantly) and linkers (very importantly) and readers (with no audience, there's not much point) to make an informed decision. How 'bout some links showing that wikia promised the perks listed? Evidence that the new site has some reasonable sort of governance? Indications that the new overlords will be any better than the current overlords? --Conspiracy Theorist #9 (AKA 67.170.192.66) 17:44, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Some background and a reflection on the move

As one of those involved in the move, I wrote a blog post reflecting on some of what we did wrong. It should help anyone interested get some insight into how it was handled, and may prove interesting/educational in general.

The link is here: Moving Uncyclopedia: things we didn’t do that we probably should have, but it should also be noted that I have an averse hatred for blogs and thus it's probably not terribly well-written. -— Lyrithya ༆ 18:38, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'm under the impression (right? wrong?) that when we came to Wikia they promised never to censor or Warning Notice us. If this is true, they are dicks. But IP above, some of us are working on both sites and you are welcome on both or either. Lots of top editors have moved everything there, and other top editors are staying here, and other lowly editors (me and bobbie mcghee} are on both. You never know what fish will fry. Aleister 19:54 12-1-'13

I don't think Wikia "promised" anything. The site sort of defaulted to Wikia without any agreement with the nebulous concept of a "community". Many of the "founders" dropped out 6 months and 500 edits into the site, to be replaced by new users. There isn't anyone that speaks for the community, and the license allows for new "communities" to arise when ever a forking of content takes place. If you don't like the community or webhost here, you are free to go to Free Uncyclopedia. Conversely, if you don't like the community or webhost there, you can stay at UnFree Uncyclopedia. --Mn-z 20:04, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

You must not be a Zombiefrog fan. :D  ~ BB ~ (T) ~ Sun, Jan 13 '13 20:50 (UTC)

/me wonders what the fuss is all about. New site is better. Hooray Red Stripe! (talk) 23:21, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sock puppet, for that utterly useless and self-serving comment.                                • Puppy's talk page • 02:11 20 Jan

Comment from a user who joined after the split

I would really like to understand why we insist on keeping two nearly identical sites open. Why was this site forked, rather than moved? Why was there such insufficient consensus that we did not all stay here or move there?

I realise this forum has not been edited for six months and I am sorry for necroposting on it, but I think an agreement as to which site we should be editing is long overdue and should be reached if possible. There was once a single community; there ought to be a way to make them come together again to decide this thing that was apparently decided by two sides with different opinions - and then, if possible, stay together. Enuncyco users have been complaining about a lack of activity. Uncyclowikia users have been complaining about sending traffic away from their site. Both sites share the exact same purpose and extremely similar content, and both of them seem to be wanting a more active community. Therefore, it would make sense to bring them together again, whichever place they may eventually come to.

Also, if we do not once again become a single community as I believe we should be, it would in my opinion be appropriate to have the site notice or the welcome template say clearly that there are two Uncyclopedias, not one. This fact should be out in the open. Not having it be so, I think, is to almost purposely hide the existence of the other site for our own purposes. Of course, the site notice/welcome template on both Uncyclopedias should mention the other site - let's be fair here.

With the number of users on each site, it should be totally possible to close one wiki or the other, or at least ensure that wiki we decide not to use directs users to the other one. All we need to do is come to some sort of agreement on this, and always stay civil and assume good faith. There have been a lot of attacks thrown around. In particular, I appreciate Sannse's desire not to get into rights and edit wars, but the way not to do that is not to interfere with the community. To simply stay out of what they are deciding and not let the interests of Wikia enter the discussion. Not ever. I know about the terms of service thing but that is simply not right.

Those terms, it seems, are why the fork was created. They were too restrictive. What this has done is to divide those who do not mind the terms from those who do. Now the new site contains those who do not support Wikia, and the old site contains those who are totally happy to act in Wikia's interests. Those like me who have got to really dislike Wikia's ways will leave, or if they are too outspoken be blocked, and this community will then be composed entirely of users who either have little to no opinion of Wikia or think of it as being a truly good thing that we should support in whatever way they want. Then it will be impossible to get a consensus here that we should all move. Still, though, it is not doing us any good to be separated like this, is it? Would it not be conducive to our purposes if we could come together in one place?

Again, I am sorry for posting on an old forum. Do what you will with me for it. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 01:41, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

The users that moved wanted everybody to move, but those of us who stayed with this site see no problem with allowing censorship in exchange for reliable hosting of our site, ongoing technical support, and not having to worry about financial issues interfering with the ongoing operations of the site. Besides, Wikia has a tradition of keeping wikis open even when the entire community has moved (if you have visited Illogicopedia, their old site was at wackypedia, which was renamed wackypedia when the community moved, and wackypedia is basically a dead wiki which is hosted by Wikia). So "closing" this site is out of the question, even if theoretically everyone decided to move elsewhere, which is not going to happen. There are also fundamental differences in the new focus of this wiki as compared to the focus of the fork. We focus more on providing quality content to the readers here, whereas the fork is becoming more of a social club, focusing lately on inside jokes that newcomers might not understand, and exploiting their lack of censorship. Not everyone here wants to join the social club of the fork, some edit this site only, and some edit both this site and the fork. So "coming together in one place" is not likely to happen anytime soon. Surely you should have picked up the hint that at least one person here would not fit into the social club at the fork from a recent VFH there that failed, fortunately. Those who are actively promoting the fork on this site are violating Wikia's terms of use about advertising non-Wikia sites on Wikia resources, so we have to discourage this. With members who were banned for promoting the fork, the real question is, are they willing to come back and become positive contributors to this site taking into consideration the Terms of Service. So far, the answer is no, so there is no reason to lift their bans. -- Simsilikesims(♀GUN) Talk here. 02:20, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, coming together in one place is not likely to happen. That does not mean it would not be a good thing. The differences of opinion of the two communities combined could make for something even more successful than what we have now with the two sites. You are not even considering this possibility.

I do not think you read what I said about Wikia's ToS being 'unjustified'. You obviously believe they are justified or are at least not willing to question them. I know they prohibit 'not being a positive contributor to the site by advertising forks'. Does that mean it is 'wrong' to do so? No. Wikia's terms should not be an absolute from the community's point of view. What one needs to ask is why advertising the fork is wrong, not why it is a violation. So far I have seen no reason why it is wrong other than that it violates Wikia's terms. Wikia's terms are not an automatically justified absolute. Think about what would happen if the blocks (not bans, see Wikipedia's blocking policy, they have a sensible definition of these things) were lifted and those contributors continued to promote or speak positively about the fork. We would have both opinions on the matter freely dispersed. Yes, there would be promotion of the new site. No, not everyone would go there and begin to edit. How would lifting the blocks be anything but allowing different opinions to be heard? How would it be a bad thing if everyone had the opportunity to hear all sides of the issue and see both sides of the split? We can still find the truth by digging deep enough, but it is more obvious what they think if they are not silenced. I can only see the blocking of those who promote the fork as censorship, if you will forgive my word choice. Allowing free speech on this would let new users make more informed decisions about which site to use. The reason for not allowing free speech seems to be entirely self-serving, if not entirely to serve Wikia.

Indeed you say the truth here, but you have mainly stated things that are obvious and that I already know. I know Wikia does not normally close wikis. If the community all left, or somehow convinced Wikia that this wiki was not worth keeping open, we might succeed in truly moving off Wikia. I know Wikia's ToS prohibits advertising other sites on those of Wikia; this is furthermore a rather vague thing to prohibit and wide open to abuse, and it should also be noted that the ToS state that Wikia may block anyone at any time for any reason or no reason, so it is not even necessary to violate the ToS to be blocked. That is why it is rather hard for me to take use of the ToS as a block reason seriously. Essentially, violating it means seriously upsetting a loyal Wikia user in a position of power.

You also say things that sound exactly as if you were a staff member, even though I know you are not. You speak of the Terms of Service as if they were an absolute that we must follow. (We don't have to. We can move.) You say that the blocked users are 'not contributing positively' because they are speaking positively about another English Uncyclopedia that has just as much right to exist as this one and, if you ask me, actually should be advertised here merely because it is equally legitimate (though of course I will not do so because I would quite probably be blocked too).

Because you have obviously not read or not considered a good deal of what I said, I do not really think it is worth saying it all over again. If you continue to repeat what you are saying without taking my points into account I have no real interest in continuing the discussion. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 05:40, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Why do people apologise for necroposting and then write war and peace? There's a reason why this thread was left to die. As for the must thrust of we need one site… it has been expressed over and over, but the question always arises as where, which is unable to be resolved. There are reasons why some of the older members here have chosen to remain here, as well as valid reasons why those that have moved have chosen to stay there, and why those that flick between the two flick between. If there was a simple resolution then we would have already done this. I have no desire to see multiples sites with near identical content, and I miss the member of te community that have left (or been banned for violating rule 1). So if we are in a position where we have exhausted the possibilities of reuniting the two sites, then we are left with the only option available - to allow the sites to grow in different directions. I'm also not intending to respond to anything more on this thread - if you truly wish to continue this discussion create a new thread rather than bumping a forum (which used to be a bannable offence, if I remember correctly.)                                • Puppy's talk page • 06:23 28 Jul 2013