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Mr Winkler is real he teachs me english and i dont like him . I got in trouble because every1 in my school was going on here because of it and then they found out about it and told my parnets about it and but they didnt realy care but the teachers did. but im sick now so i dont go to school rite now so i dont knw what going to happen but i might get in troble for it at school. It says that carticles about teacher will be deleted on site so y has this not been deleted. Also it is kind of like cycber bullying and u say u will not tolerate that. So pleese just delete it. I dont want to get suspended. LotofLOLS 20:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

NO!!! MY FAVORITE ARTICLE!!! --Æ 20:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Since he's the writer, it's vanity, and a lot of people dislike it, I think we should go through with his request and delete it. If we don't want to permanently delete it, someone could move it to their userspace where it'll be hidden from public view or we could delete it and redirect it to CVP for a few days until this issue blows over. The only problem would be what to do with this featured spinoff. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 20:29, Dec. 12, 2007
Maybe we could make like those news articles about rape victims (ideally) and change the name. Instead of Mr Winkler, he automagically becomes Mr Xavier! Xavier is hella cooler than Winkler. Ж Kalir yes, I play Pokémon 20:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to be serious for a split second and share my honest thoughts:
  1. He was the one who created it. He did not have to create, he choose to create it. The newarticletext warns him "Pages about you, your friends, your schoolmates, your teachers, etc. WILL be deleted on sight." He should've understood the consequences before creating the page but instead decided to ignore the consequences.
  2. The fact that it was kept, unlike most vanity pages, means, maybe he should've kept his mouth shut at school espacially given the fact that he might get suspended for creating the page.
  3. What are we going to do with our spinoffs? Delete a featured article? Fuck no
  4. The fact that he might get suspended is not our fault, but his fault. Again, he could've thought twice before creating the page and telling his friends about the article.
  5. ???
  6. Profit!!!
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but these our my honest opinions--Æ 20:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Are you seriously, serious about being serious AE? I mean, it's seriously funny, and all, but seriously... Is this serious? MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 20:59, Dec 12


Here are my opinions:

  1. The article should be deleted because it is vanity and the subject of it wants it deleted.
  2. The spinoffs can still exist, but we'd need to have a hidden version of the original somewhere where LotofLOLS's classmates, teachers, parents, and principals won't be able to find it.
  3. As with CVP, we'll redirect this to an apology message from LotofLOLS and protect it so people know why it was deleted and so that his parents, teachers, and principal(s) know he's sorry.
  4. I agree that it's his fault he got suspended, but a suspension can ruin one's reputation and possibly even chances of getting into college. He didn't know this would get him into trouble, but he knows now. I think that, as with below, we ban him in exchange for keeping him out of suspension.
  5. Ban LotofLOLS for anywhere from 3 months to infinity for creating the article and so that he realizes he shouldn't have done it.

Also, to be honest, I find this article no funnier than most other vanity. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 21:00, Dec. 12, 2007

*Sigh.* This is Lstarnes all over again. I say keep it; we didn't nuke fisher price, just tell your teachers/parents the name of the age is Mr Winkler, and delete the redirect. That way, it looks like there was something there, but it was deleted. This should satisfy them--most teachers know very little of the internet or wikis, in my experience. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon.gif(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 21:06, Dec 12

Is it vanity? Do we no for sure that Mr winkler is not infant gay? There is no evidence of slander. We have evidence that he gave an F, and that he possibly got some sick. Clearly Mr winkler is an individual of sufficient noteworthiness to warrant an Uncyc page, so I have no idea how you consider this vanity. MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 21:08, Dec 12

He's not well-known by way of the Google Test. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 21:14, Dec. 12, 2007
He's not? [1] MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 21:27, Dec 12
Ahahahahahahaha. [2] (his recent compositions include a musical for the gay men's choir...) Kitty!.gifHeck no techno | chitchat | stuff.. Argh.gif
That's probably a different Mr. Winkler. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 21:42, Dec. 12, 2007

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Anyway, you have freedom of speech. If it becomes an issue, contact the ACLU, and just hope they don't call this libel, which is a probability. As long as this considered your opinion, and not a statement of fact, they really can't get you. Also, don't do stupid things in the future, and also, just delete this nonsense. We should be writing satire not stupid in-jokey memes that those of us who don't give a shit about will not get or find funny. And all of this is on the off chance that this isn't just the continuation of a pointless troll, which it of course is. --Sir ENeGMA (talk) GUN WotM PLS 21:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

One of our biggest problems here is that we write to make other Uncyclopedians laugh, not to make non-Uncyclopedians laugh. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 21:13, Dec. 12, 2007

I'm sure that this guys teacher is not the only Mr. Winkler. The article doesn't give any details about him other than his surname and the fact that he should get some sick. Can Mr. Winkler be traced? No. Would Mr. Winkler know it was him if he stumbled upon it instead of having been told? Probably not. Is it out job to stop this fuckwit from being suspended? Fuck no. He was stupid enough to posthis incoherent rant and stupid enough to brag about it. He deserves what he gets. The article should stay. Perhaps the name should be changed to protect the innocent (although the name adds some humour, sounding as it does like winkle - which means penis). -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 21:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you--Æ 21:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


As hard as it is for me to say this, I think the article should be deleted. I find this article to be funny for how stupid it is, just like many others do, but Uncyclopedia does not support cyber-bulllying. I'm not saying this because I feel sorry for an idiot that couldn't find a more intelligent way to complain about his teachers, nor is it because I utterly hate the article. This article qualifies as cyber-bullying, vanity, as well as being a badly-written stub. In the past, Uncyclopedia has not hesitated to delete any of these (with very few exceptions) in the past, and therefore it has stayed completely out of trouble. I'm not worried about a school district getting pissed at us and suing, but Uncyclopedia has policies that it follows. Even though there are other stubs and badly written articles out there, none of them are cyber-bullying, which I completely oppose. And, according to its policies, so does Uncyclopedia. Sig pic.PNG Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 22:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, first of all Three word article is nothing like euroipods or Fisher Price. Secondely, quit linking it as "Fisher price". Have some respect. -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 01:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Mr Wrinkler doesn't like it?

Maybe he should lighten up and embrace his article. After all, it's only a bit of fun. So, Mr Wrinkler, if you're reading this, be thankful someone didn't write this about you.
Having said that, site policy ought to see it deleted. But, I ask of you, "Does Mr. Wrinkler think you're a dick?"
On a somewhat related note, I shudder to think what Fisher Price make of their Uncyc article ...

PS Get well soon, LotsOfLOLS. -- Hindleyite Converse 21:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps if we kept the articles, but changed the name to something else. I'm sure a vote on what to change Winkler's name to would be quite amusing. Then we'd ELIMINATE the old article, and our bud LotofLOLS won't get in too much trouble. --THE 21:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
No that would be so stupid. HE wrote it, it says in HUGE letters on the article creation page that vanity articles are not forbidden, HE told everyone at school about it, this is his fault. And Mr. Winkler is a grown man. I don't think he'd care that a kid called him gay. If this was about another kid, then I'd say take it down. Kitty!.gifHeck no techno | chitchat | stuff.. Argh.gif

I think changing the name is a good compromise between the 'Good Orderly Humour' People and the people who think it's fine as long as it makes us laugh. Oh and look at this -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 21:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Not to totally jump the gun, but I think "Mr. Tinkler" has a nice ring to it...but I suppose we'd have to make it something a little less similar...like "Olipro." --THE 21:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Olipro Tinkler it is. -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 21:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Compromise...

I don't want this to turn into Drama, so I think we should compromise:

  1. LotofLOLS should apologize to Mr winlker along with his teachers about writing the article
  2. He should also go into plenty of detail about why the article stayed along with its featured spinoff, etc. etc.
  3. Months later, we can look back, and laugh about it, and move on, as we do with all mistakes

Agree?--Æ 21:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that mr winkler be alowed to post the same type about lotsoflols as lotsoflols did for him. Sorta like "an eye for an eye."--General And Min. THEDUDEMANSucrose b.gif 22:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm striking out the comment above because I already dropped my two cents and I don't want to be involved in this flamewar. The proposal seems unrealistic as well on second thought. I'm sure the dispute will be resolved in the end--Æ 22:16, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I know what caused this whole controversy!

Forum:I cant typ at all becaus i got ban. -- Read about halfway down someone tells lotoflols to tell all his friends and then tell Mr. Winkler. -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 21:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I blame Kip. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 22:06, Dec. 12, 2007
Figures. Sig pic.PNG Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 22:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
/me Pulls a sawn-off shotgun out of my trousers and blows my own head off MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 22:12, Dec 12
Oops. My bad. -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 01:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Mr winkler is GAY is an in-joke

Hence, it is exempt from pretty much any policy. So I don't think that claims of vanity / cyberbullying / etc. apply here. In fact, I don't think there's any reason whatsoever to delete it. And legally speaking, LotofLOLS wrote it, submitted it under the CC-BY-NC-SA 2.0, and it's now part of Uncyclopedia. If he wants it deleted, it's got to go through a voting process, just like anything else. (And we all know it'd be kept anyway, because it's a in-joke and you don't delete in-jokes.) Also, geez. Is this deja vu for anyone, or what? – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 22:22 Dec 12, 2007

This is unlike FIsher Price because we know for sure who the author is. On the other hand, it still has injoke standing, and LotoffLOLs damned well knew what he was doing when he made the page. I say we keep our little bit of funny and he just grows up and accepts the consequences for his vandalism that we have all come to love so much. --Littleboyonly.jpg T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK Oldmanonly.jpg 22:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
He likely didn't know that doing that was wrong when he did it. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 22:26, Dec. 12, 2007
His loss for being ignorant. --Littleboyonly.jpg T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK Oldmanonly.jpg 22:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

"He likely didn't know that doing that was wrong when he did it" - come on Starnes! Are you serious? He's responsible for his actions just like anyone else. -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 22:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Deleted??

So we're deleting an article with 3 spinoffs, an article that made people LOL, apart from the fact that it is already an established injoke? Don't delete based on one guy who should've twice about creating the page. I think we should restore and do a VFD run and determine if it actually should be deleted?--Æ 22:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

It's a piece of shit that doesn't deserve to grace the hallowed halls of this site. It's an insult to every writer here - people put their blood, sweat, tears and stashes of ganja into their articles, and one dipshit walks by and comes up with a three line article, and it's considered fucking gold. If I had my way all the shitty one liner in-jokes would be a blip in the deletion log...scratch that. I blip on my computer screen as I use phpMyAdmin to clear them fully from the database so nobody can restore it without pulling out the hard drive and performing data recovery. Whatever articles which aren't clever but have gotten their asses saved because they attatched themselves to an in-joke should be deleted as well. Well written retrospectives and such will be kept and a note written at the bottom of each explaining the context. Heck, if not that then I'd just place them into a special Uncyclopedia:One liners that should have been deleted but didn't because someone thought they were good one liners so they were placed here instead page. ~ Tophatsig.png

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

12/12/2007 @ 23:04
Wow. What the hell, Jocke. I write. A lot. For this site and even more so for myself. I'm not going to lie, I crank out a lot of stuff that I put my blood, sweat, and tears into. But an in-joke isn't hurting me, or anyone. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:20 Dec 12, 2007
In my opinion, with some of the genius in this site, it's a slap in the face for the best writers a one-liner to be kept, and an equal slap in the face for every bad writer that has gotten his article deleted because it was a one-liner. If one one-liner is kept, why not keep them all? ~ Tophatsig.png

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

13/12/2007 @ 00:44
Interesting... I disagree. I don't feel very slapped in the face. People like latching onto little things and making them big things. Sometimes, a stub is an in-joke. Other times, a stub is just a stub. Person'lly I think that we need these silly sorts of things from time to time to remind ourselves that Uncyclopedia isn't some stuck-up, best-writers-only site, because the last thing we need to be is elitist. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 01:17 Dec 13, 2007
I'd rather have an IP write a paragraph full of pure humor with an grammaretical error or two and have that kept than either a one sentence article about eating feces or a poorly written three sentance article about a teacher that doesn't really parody anything and just makes a mockery of even articles like That time I got raped by a yak during my sojurn to canada, which carry on a joke a little longer and better, and I'd rather have something like that be an in joke than a QVFD cannon fodder. ~ Tophatsig.png

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

13/12/2007 @ 21:22
"Hallowed halls of this site?" Since when was Uncyclopedia a temple? Jeez, you sound like a religious zealot, Jocke.-- Phlegm Leoispotter * (garble! jank!) 00:37, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not going to weasel out of what I wrote here, because it is a rather idiotic statement on my part. ~ Tophatsig.png

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

13/12/2007 @ 00:44
But then you're judging quality solely on the length of the article. By your standards, is Long article the best thing ever written? Sometimes you don't need any more than a few lines to make the joke. We're not restricted to any styles here, and some styles involve having short or seemingly nonsensical articles. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 17:18, 13 Dec 2007
Most of those articles go on QVFD and I don't see what's different here except a respected user popped up and said it was funny. If an IP posted it would have gone into your express lane. Certainly long article isn't the best article here, but I feel that there should be a sufficient amount of content on a page so it's worth visiting, not a small paragraph or one line. ~ Tophatsig.png

Jacques Pirat, Esq. Converse : Benefactions : U.w.p.

13/12/2007 @ 21:10

I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN!!

And did you listen? No. Now you have to face the consequences!! BWAHAHA!! *explodes* --AAA! (AAAA) 23:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to refrain from doing the "told you so" dance. Be thankful, I had it all thought up. —Hinoa talk.kun 00:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

VOTE

Current voting located towards the bottom

Okay. Vote created. Let the voting commence. --THE 22:49, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe we're even voting on this. Seems pretty clear cut to me. It being an in-joke and all. And keep in mind, if we change Winkler's name, we're going to have to change it everywhere else as well, otherwise none of it will make sense. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 22:51 Dec 12, 2007
Besides, polls are easily tampered with. If we're going to vote, make it solid and with signatures. --Littleboyonly.jpg T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK Oldmanonly.jpg 22:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
This poll is rigged! -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 22:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Via the IRC, we've decided that this poll will go on for a couple of days (2-3). This is a SERIOUS poll that WILL determine the outcome of the article. - Rougethebat.gifAdmiral Enzo Aquarius-Dial the Gate SonicLivesPicture.png 00:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Can't we just lock up the forum topic now that LotofLOLS is gone?--Æ 00:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
No, we must let democracy run its course. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 00:46, Dec. 13, 2007
Since when do we have democracy, exactly? – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 18:23 Dec 13, 2007

Delete the article

Score: +10
  • Delete. I didn't like it before. Then, for a while, I tolerated it. Now, I'm back to not liking it. Lastly, you're a dumb shit, Lotoflols. You'll grow out of it, hopefully. I did. Then I went bald. True story. Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 08:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeh Pretty much as above. BonSig.png (Bonner) (Talk) Dec 13, 17:09
  • For Deletion, as per Modusoperandi. Including the bald part. -- Smallbeer.pngSpillin DylanSmallbeer.pngTALKSmallbeer.pngEDITSSmallbeer2.png03:56, Dec 14
  • Bah, Spacer.gifSpacer.gifPremierTomMayfairChe.png RedPhone.png Unsoc.png Hammer and sickle.png

Change Winkler's name

Score: +6
  • For A good compromise. --THE 22:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • For -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 22:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • For --AAA! (AAAA) 23:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Are you kidding me?-- Phlegm Leoispotter * (garble! jank!) 00:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Tinkler -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 01:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Sort of undecided between this and just keeping it As people have said, Mr Winkler has become an inseparable in-joke and can't be deleted from people's minds. On the other hand, this also means that a (temporary?) rename of the main offending article is not going to hurt the in-joke and might make a few people happier. --Strange.PNG (but) Untrue  Whhhy?Whut?How? *Back from the dead* 01:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I'd support this only if his name actually turned out to be Francis Winkler. If it's any other Winkler, heck no. --Algorithm 21:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • For I didn't like the article, but it's starting to grow on me. But still, LotsofLols is a member of our community, and Uncyclopedians need to help each other out. --YeOldeLuke 02:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - I would no longer consider LotsofLOLS a member of the community as he is infibanned--Æ 02:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Leave it as is

Score: +15
  • Yes please. If Winkler finds out, it shouldn't be our problem. --Asema 00:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Yes. By the way, since we can actually delete and shit, admin votes count for double. --Littleboyonly.jpg T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK Oldmanonly.jpg 22:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Leave the damn article. Ask yourself: If LotofLOLS wasn't unbanned and didn't whine, would we even be voting on this? We've already kept it because it's an in-joke and it's hardly cyberbullying. It's only a surname and Winkler has become much more than a real person, but a character on Uncyclopedia. And I think we need to stop throwing such a fuss about n00bs bitching about their own mistakes. Really. Since when is an article's fate so hotly debated because some n00b who didn't know any better decided to complain in forum space? This is unnecessary Drama over a very clear-cut case. Additionally, I think some Uncyclopedians are using this n00b's complaints as a way to push their own agenda about an in-joke they don't agree with. Grow the fuck up. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 22:57 Dec 12, 2007
  • Hell Yes I love it the way it is. ----Pleb- Sawblade5 [coolest link ever] ( yell | FAQ | I did this ) 23:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support per my reasoning above and Dr. Skullthumper. Renaming it to say Xavier would damage the page history and could potentially ruin the joke, think about it. I also propose that we NO longer allow in-jokes simply based on the fact they are bound to cause drama --Æ 23:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Yesyesyesyesyesyes. Sorry, but just because LotOfLOLS made a booboo doesn't mean I'm paying for it. I wrote this masterpiece, after all. Kitty!.gifHeck no techno | chitchat | stuff.. Argh.gif
  • Comment It's all pointless. You can't delete them anyway. Are you going to remove all references from the whole wiki? MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 23:44, Dec 12
    • Comment - True, it'll be a hard task to get rid of ALL the references made, plus you have to get rid of this whole forum because LotsofLOLS said "Mr Winkler is real he teachs me english and i dont like him", along with other forums, logs, etc.
      • Comment This doesn't mean that all references should be deleted. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 23:48, Dec. 12, 2007
      • Comment Maybe I should stop talking about this then? Dam! There I go again! Now there's even more of it! MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 23:47, Dec 12
  • Keep dummies! There's more than one Mr. Winkler in the world. And what are the odds that another could teach seventh grade English? -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 01:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC) In light of LotofLOLS education and future, I've changed my vote to changing the name. -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 05:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. What everyone else said. Except those who want it deleted. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 01:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Duh. Things are fine just the way they are. Doesn't the status quo. make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon.gif(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 01:59, Dec 13
  • What codiene said. Dunno why we're even discussing this. I also find it quite ironic that it seems that LotsofLOLS has got some sick himself. Ho ho! • Spang • ☃ • talk • 17:09, 13 Dec 2007
  • CC-BY-NC-SA, bitches. --Algorithm 21:22, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment agree with you. LotofLOLS does not own the article, and we all like the article(excluding Jocke Pirat, Starnestommy and a few others), so leave it the fuck be--Æ 21:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • rar --User:Jack Phoenix/sig 22:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Leave it. Uncyclopedia is not responsible for a fifth grader's idiocy and gross misunderstanding of the term "cyberbullying." Christ. Contestant buzzer.JPG Contestant CUN -- VFH NotM Buzz Ctrbs 21:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposal

Let's delete the article, infiban LotsofLOLS on Uncyclopedia and IRC, and than we restore the article. LotsofLOLS should've understood the consequences--Æ 23:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Howzabout we just skip to the infiniban (on grounds of stirring up drama / being a whiner)? – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:33 Dec 12, 2007
I'll accept the ban only if the delete is also done. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 23:40, Dec. 12, 2007
Come on, no one deserves a ban. Let's just act like this never happened, and if lotsofLOLS continues to complain, then you can ban him. The last thing this site needs right now is more drama , and an infiniban for LotsofLOLS will only cause more.-- Phlegm Leoispotter * (garble! jank!) 00:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I think you're wrong Leoispotter, LotofLOLS is infi-banned, and now this drama shit will end!!!
How is requesting the deletion of an article "causing drama"? People do that all the time! If it will stop the drama, perhaps we SHOULD honor the... umm.... "writer's" request and delete the article, and unban LotsofLOLS.-- Phlegm Leoispotter * (garble! jank!) 00:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Ban LotofLOLS

Score: +2 GAY infinibans!

Ban Dr. Skullthumper

Score: +974 1/2 STRAIGHT joke bans

This is stupid

im gona get kicked outa private school because of some stupid article. pleese just delete it.LotofLOLS2 23:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Again, whose fault is that? Not ours. You're also gonna get kicked off of Uncyclopedia if you keep making sockpuppets. Fuck. Off. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:13 Dec 13, 2007
Um... just a comment here, but he was already kicked off Uncyclopedia. That's why he had to make the sockpuppet. I'm not showing support of it, just pointing out why. Sig pic.PNG Unsolicited conversation Extravagant beauty PEEING 23:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I meant more so like "IP-ban-account-creation-disabled-kicked-off". – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:18 Dec 13, 2007
LotofLOLS2, there's NO way you go to private school. You're the most unintelligent person I've met on this wiki--Æ 23:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC) (That was a little harsh)--Æ 23:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to violate rule two by pointing out rule two. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:25 Dec 13, 2007
First of all, he's a 5th grader. The average 5th grader wouldn't know how to edit a wiki. Second, public school isn't any worse than private school and actually costs less. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 23:28, Dec. 13, 2007
Now now Starnestommy, I bet you aren't smarter than a 5th grader?(this is is a joke, don't take it personally) --Æ 14:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Agree with Starnes. Figuring out that the "edit" button on the top of a page lets you edit is a connection only made, on average, by 8th graders. And gifted 8th graders at that. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:30 Dec 13, 2007
Uh, of course public school costs less. It's state-funded, isn't it? - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon.gif(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 23:31, Dec 13
Actually public schools are funded by local taxes. Like taxes on your automobiles, taxes on your house, taxes on your property, the local sales tax, and some of the state sales tax is given to public schools as well, and that No Child Left Behind nonsense that Bushco passed takes part of the federal budget and gives it to public schools. So there is a cost to public schools by way of taxes. Just that the salaries of public school teachers are a lot less than private school teachers, plus public schools have a lot of political BS that actually makes them more fascist than most private schools, and there is always the local school board cutting funding for music and other programs for public schools so the mayor can have his golden coffee pots and silver coffee mugs, etc. Chances are that a public school would have had the teacher sue the student for libel, and his parents would have paid for the legal bill. Private schools mostly suspend or give detentions and inform the parents of their child's misbehaviors. Be that as it may, if LotsofLuls were in a public school he'd be in a lot more trouble than he is now, and Mr. Winkler would have issued a subpoena to Uncyclopedia or Wikia to take down the article on him or face a civil libel suit, but instead they just told LotsofLuls to just have the article deleted and they will take it easier on him if he can manage that. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 04:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
In fact, one could argue that it costs nothing. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:32 Dec 13, 2007
Heh, not at my school: we get tons of "fees." Unless you wanted to walk or get a ride to and from school every day and never play a sport or join a club, public school isn't free. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon.gif(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 23:38, Dec 13
I think I had to pay a $10 fee for something once. That was about it. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:39 Dec 13, 2007
Costs $100 bucks to ride the bus, I think, and 200 if you want to play a sport. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon.gif(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 23:41, Dec 13
That. Sucks. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:43 Dec 13, 2007
Come on, perhaps we should at least consider a name change here...after all, this is someone's life we're dealing with here...he might enjoy his private school. You know, with friends, and everything. Perhaps that might be a bit more important than us getting a good laugh? --THE 23:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
He did it. We're not cleaning up his mistakes. The end, in my opinion. Maybe we should link this forum topic on the editing pages as a warning to others. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:36 Dec 13, 2007
I know people who've written articles about teachers on Wikipedia, as light-hearted jokes. This kid made a mistake. He's in fifth grade, what...does that make him eleven? Twelve? Getting kicked out of school because of writing a joke article on a site would be a rather traumatic experience for anyone. I still say we should give the poor tyke a break. --THE 23:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
What if... we deleted the article and those related to it, for, say, a week? Then the kid doesn't get his suspension and we get our in-joke. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:42 Dec 13, 2007
Yeah, that would work. Or maybe even a temporary name change. Just something to give young lotofLOLS a second chance. --THE 23:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree to a temporary delete. It's quicker and cleaner and nobody'll edit the article back to "Winkler", thus wrecking our little lotofLOLS's future. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 23:46 Dec 13, 2007
So...should we set up another vote? A vote between deleting the article for a week, and leaving it? --THE 23:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
That's crazy! That'll never happen! – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 00:04 Dec 14, 2007

Another vote

Hold on a second

WHOA You can't just have another vote when you didn't like the results of the first one. -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 21:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I don't like democracy any more than the rest of you, but there's a VOTE ABOVE. -- Sir Codeine K·H·P·B·M·N·C·U·Bu. · (Harangue) 21:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. But this one's different. It's more to get an idea about the new idea. But nevermind, I can just fuck trying to use reason and logic anymore. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 22:12 Dec 14, 2007

=== Temporarily delete the article for a week, giving LotofLOLS another chance at education ===

Score: +7

Keep the article

Score: +1
  • Keep - per the policy UN:C (about LotofLOLS and his future)--Æ 00:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Delete the sucker entirely

Score: +1
  • Be gone. Spacer.gifSpacer.gifPremierTomMayfairChe.png RedPhone.png Unsoc.png Hammer and sickle.png

Other stuff that probably won't get a majority vote anyway goes here

Demand a ransom

Put a Disclaimer on the article

Something like "Warning this article was written by a 5th grader and it is full of spelling mistakes, grammar mistakes, logic fallacies, and a failed attempt at humor, and it should not be taking seriously by anyone or as a reliable source of information either. We humbly apologize to Mr. Winkler, and we are currently discussing plans to delete it or whatever we end up voting for anyway. Grade School Teachers are the real rock stars of society anyway, and should not be made fun of, especially when all they are trying to do is help children learn things and become good contributors to society anyway." or something like that. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 04:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

So who is it then? Own up

LotofLOLS is just too good to be true. His spelling and grammar are just that little bit too bad to be plausible, and for a random schoolkid he shows an impressively detailed knowledge of wiki forums, talk pages, edit summaries and the "minor" button, especially for someone of his supposed lack of linguistic ability.

I smell a rat, and I call shenanigans! Seems to me that LotofLOLS is without a doubt a sockpuppet of one of our erstwhile administrators.

Anyone care to speculate as to who? I'm gonna suggest Rcmurphy.

Alternatively, would the culprit care to admit to his wrongdoing?

Nobody's leaving this class until the truth has been revealed. 202.21.176.45 00:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Rcmurphy couldn't have done it. He's only a n00b. That still hasn't won NotM. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 00:08 Dec 14, 2007
Did no-one notice that the tittle of this forum was spelt exactly the same as the article name? The use of upper and lower case the same? And your not having any shenanigans Skullthumper... Ohh! MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 00:29, Dec 14
I particularly like the "my brother showed me how to use a proxy server bit..." :) MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 01:12, Dec 14
I have always been suspicious about "LOLS". I think someone maybe trying to see how stupid we are. -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 14:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Has anyone thought about this?

I think what we haven't realized yet is that this article is setting an important precedent for future articles. Specifically, this is the first time that we've had the creator of one of our in-jokes stick around long enough to see it grow. Putting aside the "he should have known what he was doing" arguments (which should be nullified by now: I mean come on, he's not just a n00b, but a fifth-grade n00b at that, give him a break), we have to recognize that if we shun LotofLOLS now, we will be shunning all future masterpieces! And I'm not talking about Mr winkler is GAY, Fisher Price, or Euroipods; I'm talking about Francis Winkler, Fisher Price: A Retrospective, and Euroipods Crusade. By not helping this kid out, we are telling all future editors that we aren't willing to make fun of some of the less well written articles we get, which we clearly are. And I don't want to send that message.

Now, some of you will say, "But Wehpudicabok, I don't like those articles you mentioned earlier, because they aren't satirical, they aren't funny, and they only extenuate our already tired line of stupid in-jokes!" Well, there will always be dissenters, but a large number of Uncyclopedians seem to favor good writings about bad writings, enough to get not one but two featured in only the past couple of months. Even if we one day find no further use for articles like those, we should always have our door open to them. We are, after all, supposed to be satirists of everything, are we not? That includes ourselves, and yes, that even includes people like LotofLOLS. Putting them out is like saying they aren't worthy of our attention, something most of us would not agree to.

So, in order that we keep the site open and fair to all kinds of humor, I propose that we comply with young LotofLOLS' requests, to the effect that:

  • Mr winkler is GAY be hidden from the public eye, such as in a subpage of Worst 100 Uncyclopedia In-Jokes of All Time.
  • Main namespace articles be changed in name.
  • A public apology to all non-Uncyclopedians affected by this, especially Mr. Winkler himself, be posted.

I would also like to add that LotofLOLS could not possibly have foreseen these consequences, as the admin who protected the page instead of deleting it (I think it was Codeine) was technically in violation of policy more than LotofLOLS himself, for not deleting it on sight. Have mercy on the poor fellow. It doesn't take a lot from us to make some page moves! (I'd be willing to do that myself, including posting redirects on QVFD and all that junk, if that would help sway anybody's opinion.)

— Sir Wehp! (t!) (c!) — 00:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree fully with this. --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 00:38, Dec. 14, 2007
Absolutely no subpages. No other in-jokes have been forced into subpages, so let's keep consistent. A public apology is going too far, in my opinion. And the mainspace articles refer to Francis Winkler, not Mr. Winkler the actual real-life schoolteacher. Maybe if the school itself complains somehow, but I think that's all a wee bit of an overreaction. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 00:44 Dec 14, 2007
That's not true. Six minor in-jokes have been saved as subpages of Worst 100 Uncyclopedia In-Jokes of All Time. You can see them in Category:Uncyclopedia In-Jokes. But all right, save the apology for if the school complains. — Sir Wehp! (t!) (c!) — 00:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh yeah?! Well! I think I've run out of arguments, so I've nothing left to do but stare blankly. (stares blankly) – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 00:57 Dec 14, 2007
Well, then, I've got one. None of those in-jokes have featured articles written about them. - P.M., WotM, & GUN, Sir Led Balloon Baloon.gif(Tick Tock) (Contribs) 01:02, Dec 14
Dude, how fucked would we be if his name were actualy Francis Winkler?--General And Min. THEDUDEMANSucrose b.gif 00:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Beats me. I don't know why anyone wants to change his name at any rate. There are plenty of articles on Uncyclopedia about actual people that are far more cruel. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 00:47 Dec 14, 2007
Most of those articles are celebrities and famous people that most normal people have heard of before. Besides, like I said above, LotsofLols is a member of our community, and we need to help each other out. --YeOldeLuke 02:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

“A house divided cannot stand.”

~ Abraham Lincoln on a similar debate

“Sure it can. I mean, my friend's neighbor has one of them "split-level" houses, and it stands up!”

~ TheLedBalloon on the above quote.

“What the hell is that wiggly thing in front of my name?”

~ Modusoperandi on that wiggly thing in front of his name

Is this what happens....

When Im not around? Damn, Im only gone for 1 year and this place falls to pieces. Just say it, you guys NEED me --Nytrospawn 04:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

WE NEED YOU! – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 04:37 Dec 14, 2007
Okay, so who are you actually. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 04:37 Dec 14, 2007
I was one of the first 20 sysops when this site was yet a youngling. Oh, and I was friends with the site creator --Nytrospawn 04:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
If I was just a little more tired, I'd say something like "yeah, right!" and end up with a nice ban. Thankfully I haven't lost my sanity that much yet. Well anyway, considering I am a relative newbie, I hope you don't mind me saying welcome back then? – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 04:47 Dec 14, 2007
Yes, I do mind. Prepare for the thousand year terror --Nytrospawn 04:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
And dont you think I wont do it. I did ban someone for 100 years once. But that was over 100 years ago --Nytrospawn 04:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I knew I was having entirely too much luck today... – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 04:55 Dec 14, 2007
Aren't we straying off the subject a little? Nytrospawn, do think there's something you can do to help us out here? --YeOldeLuke 07:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Is it really a problem yet?

So far I've heared nothing about complaints from the school or Mr. Winkler. (Heck, for all we know LotofLOLS just made Winkler up.) LotsofLOLS just said that he was sick and he didn't know what will happen. I think we should unban LOLS until we find out more about what's going on in his world. In the meantime, I think the complaint/apology thing is a good idea. -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 08:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Tell you what's a problem

Your sig is. You look like the fourth of July! ~Jewriken.GIF 14:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

What, does my Jesusmas spirit offend you joo? -- Kip > Talk • Works • •Sophia Commander of the Order USA! 14:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Anything that doesn't have a spinning Star of David on it offends me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mordillo (talk • contribs)
Hush up and eat your candycane. Sir Modusoperandi Boinc! 15:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yessir. ~ Mordillo where is my MOTHERFUCKER? 15:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Shut up

Since it seems as though this drama is tearing up Uncyclopedia as with the Fisher Price and Euroipods controversies, I think we should just do what we did in those cases: shut up about it and leave everything alone. There are always going to be people who like it and want to keep it, and there are always going to be those who want it deleted, but we usually keep it anyway and stop making new stuff related to it. So, I am proposing the following: We don't create any new discussions about it, we leave the existing page and the spin-offs alone, we don't link anything else to it, and we do the same with similar controversies. Also, since I seem to be a major cause of this drama and because I think everyone else needs to shut up, I am no longer going to edit this page as an example (except to fix my own grammatical/typographic mistakes). --Sir Starnestommy Icons-flag-us.png (Talk • Contribs • CUN) 22:02, Dec. 14, 2007

Sorry, no. This is a recurring problem that won't go away if we just ignore it. -- shaky Ape (quantify) (Riot Porn) 22:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes it will. If we all ignore it, it shall go away, as we are the ones causing it in the first place! – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 22:13 Dec 14, 2007
Y'know what? Never mind. You're all incapable of logic at the moment. I'm out. I'm not going to put a long, unreadable rant about it, but I'm going to say this: Absolutely fucking unbelievable that y'all are fighting over a stub. It's an in-joke, an Official Uncyclopedia Joke of Some Kind™. You can't screw around with the in-jokes without dividing the community. At the moment I refuse to take a side, other than the one that will bring us back to unity quicker. So I'm out of the discussion for a good while. Maybe y'all should find something better to do with your edits, like rewrite an article, patrol newpages, or something. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 22:21 Dec 14, 2007

In closing...

Mr Francis Winkler is GAY. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 22:53, 14 Dec 2007

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