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Attention, everyone. I am getting sick of people who are editing old forum topics, bringing them back to the top of the page and making everyone irritated. Thus, the following rule is now in effect:

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(Meaning, offense #1 = 1 day, offense #2 = 2 days, etc.) I'm getting fucking sick of this shit. Thank you. —RT. HON. HINOA, KNIGHT COMMANDER OF THE ORDER (BEG FOR MERCY)17:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, I will be reporting to Ban Patrol anyone that bumps an old forum topic without a damn good reason. --General Insineratehymn 17:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Can't you simply archive and lock old topics? -- herr doktor needsAgear Rocket.gif [scream!] 17:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
... No. No we cannot. HOMESTAR ME!!! TURTLE ME!!! t o m p k i n s  blah. ﺞوﻦ וףה ՃՄ ண்ஸ ފއހ วอฏม +տ trade websites 17:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, there is a way to get it off the forum list.. but it will be harder to find topics that people want to read (that's read, not edit) —Braydie 17:30, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm with Insineratehymn on this. All ban patrollers should be watching out for pointless forum bumpers. Icons-flag-au.png Sir Cs1987 UOTM. t. c 17:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree, as long we have a big, nasty and colorful template above, as we have on VFD... (that brings me bad memories...). -- herr doktor needsAgear Rocket.gif [scream!] 17:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, we can archive topics; it's just that they'll all show the last editor as the admin who archived it and the last edit time as right then. Once DPLforum 3.0 is installed, we'll be able to display the author of each topic and the time it was created, so archiving may become a more attractive option. --Algorithm 22:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but I was thinking of adding a category when the message comes up spang put in. So if it hasn't been edited in a week it removes it from the forum lists via notcategory=. That's possible right? —Braydie 22:19, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
It's possible, but it wouldn't be very practical, since the category database only gets refreshed when pages are edited (so you'd have to null-edit the forumheader every day). --Algorithm 22:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. Is that only null editing the forumheader, or the topics that are over a week old as well? —Braydie 22:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm really not sure; Mediawiki doesn't seem to have any hard-and-fast behavior in this area. All I know is, starting with 1.7, page categories are often refreshed when they contain a newly-edited template (this is why we had to stop using category timestamps with NRV and its ilk). However, I've also seen pages take a long time to update their categories (e.g. with PFP), so it may be based on whether the pages are viewed or purged as well. Go ahead and try it if you want; just be aware that it may not work the way you want it to. --Algorithm 22:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I'll give it a go. Although I might have to do a lot of null editing to get it back if it goes wrong. I'm pretty sure this kinda stuff is what the job cue is for. —Braydie 22:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

One question...

How exactly are people finding these old topics? Would trar and other recent offenders mind saying? Because you must have to click pretty far back into the forum archive to find them - that admins topic was last edited in August 2006, and to get to it you'd have to skip over several other discussions of the same thing...???

Another suggestion: I think for long topics especially people skip over the "unedited in x days" warning. (At least, I assume they're not doing it deliberately...) Would it be possible to bring it up above the text box when editing such a page? --Strange.PNG (but) Untrue  Whhhy?Whut?How? *Back from the dead* 00:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I think they are searching in the "Forum:" namespace and getting hits and then replying to the topic and bumping it up. I doubt anyone has the time to scroll through months of forum postings to find one topic they want to reply to, unless they have too much time on their hands. I mean nobody would be that stupid dedicated because most people are lazy and just use tools like the search feature to save time anyway. What we might need is a script that locks pages from being edited after a month or so in the "Forum:" namespace. --Lt. Sir Orion Blastar (talk) 03:06, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
No, couldn't do anything like that to the edit page, because in the editing page mediawiki assumes that the last edited date is the current time. Neither can you protect them, as the act of protecting adds a new revision, bumping the topic.
A more extreme solution: It should be relatively simple to knock together a javascript that will disable edit tab/links on old forum topics. It wouldn't stop someone going to the edit screen directly if the really wanted to edit it, but it should be enough to give nearly everyone the hint. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 06:49, 13 May 2007
Groovy idea - stops the n00bs in their tracks and allows the rest of us to bump things if we really need to. Out of curiousity, would such a thing be disable-able in our personal javascripts? --Strange.PNG (but) Untrue  Whhhy?Whut?How? *Back from the dead* 23:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Yup, it should be easy to make it disable-able. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 03:57, 14 May 2007

Different but related question

Would it be possible to make it so someone could edit an old forum without bumping it? Like, I dunno... maybe an "edit without bumping" button, or something? I know that the answer's probably no, or "yes, but only if you hack up about two years' worth of programming and fix it all yourself," but I just thought I'd throw it out there. User:Wehpudicabok/sig 02:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Not without taking them out of the forum category so they don't appear in the list at all. That was suggested at some point, but I don't think most people liked that idea.
You could always create the edit on a different wiki with the date set just after the topic's last post, then export it from there and import it here, and that would probably do what you suggested. It may not though, it's just a guess. Not that you'd want to do that anyway, but what the hey. • Spang • ☃ • talk • 03:57, 14 May 2007

Cause trouble here

/me makes mental note to bump this topic in November.--<<Bradmonogram.png>> 14:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

But if we make sure that it's edited at least twice a week, it will never be an old topic. Win! -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 16:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Well it's old now sannse has edited it. Note to sannse: slap Braydie on IRC. —Braydie 18:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
sannse wants the topic to be like her; well used. Note to sannse: slap Olipro on IRC -- Prof. Olipro Icons-flag-gb.png KUN (W)Anchor Op Bur. (Harass) 18:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I think I'll wait until I suddenly appear out of nowhere in glorious 3D and slap you then -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 19:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
We're getting Uncyc in 3D next? I look forward to that update. Will I need special glasses? --Strange.PNG (but) Untrue  Whhhy?Whut?How? *Back from the dead* 23:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
This is special for Olipro and Braydie and others that I'm stalking. -- sannse<staff/> (talk) 10:03, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
What kind of trouble does the header refer to, funny or just dumb? I can provide the dumb kind ANY TIME!!! Besides, I think bumping old topics requires penisary counteraction. -- Style Oranssiviiva.jpg Guide 08:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sooo.....

Whatever happened with this initiative?     EugeneKay wuz here (whine thank)   21:04, Thursday 02 July 2009  

21:06, 2 July 2009 TheLedBalloon (Talk | contribs | block) blocked EugeneKay (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 day ‎ (this) (unblock | change block) - T.L.B. Baloon.gif WotM, UotM, FPrize, AotM, ANotM, PLS, UN:HS, GUN 21:06, Jul 2
Lulz. —Sir SockySexy girls.jpg Mermaid with dolphin.jpg Tired Marilyn Monroe.jpg (talk) (stalk)Magnemite.gif Icons-flag-be.png GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 21:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
But, couldn't you just protect old forum posts? --Mn-z 04:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but that would require doing it. It's far less effort to ban people. MrN Icons-flag-gb.png HalIcon.png WhoreMrn.png Fork you! 04:42, Jul 3

Haaaaa

I cheated!!!--MNM5150Talk Dirty To Me Failings 17:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

How about commenting a topic for no reason just to keep it from going over 7 days without an edit? Is that allowed? --Mn-z 05:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Technically, yes; realistically, no. Sartorially, Tuesday. --Algorithm 23:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Your mother's technical! ... I don't even know what I mean by that... MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 23:26, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you mean that you need to bypass a number of firewalls in order to access her motherboard, whatever that is? --Sir Sunbeam no u F@H KUN 23:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

This really needs a response.

Bump. Aww.PNG Icons-flag-gb.png -Kjhf!- (feeling chatty?) 22:36, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Symbol against vote.svg Against. --Pleb SYNDROME CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!) 23:52, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Symbol for vote.svg For. —Sir SockySexy girls.jpg Mermaid with dolphin.jpg Tired Marilyn Monroe.jpg (talk) (stalk)Magnemite.gif Icons-flag-be.png GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 22:48, 2 November 2009
Symbol against vote.svg Against. your for. --Pleb SYNDROME CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!) 00:19, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Symbol neutral vote.svg Abstain. the both of you. MegaPleb • Dexter111344 • Complain here 00:20, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by bumping?

I had to do it. But serious note - there are forums that really should be archived, and by that I mean moved out of Category:Village Dump and into Category:Archived forum or something of that ilk. I'm thinking anything over a year. Also, with the no bumping - there are a few forums that that rule is not as significant on. (Can't think of them off the top of my head, but the one about why the user name. Or what your real name is. Or that INS one that was mentioned on Chief's page recently.) So I was thinking:

  1. Have the forums automatically move to Category:Archived forum once they are 120 days+
  2. Keep the current js thingy Spang had in place.
  3. Have an archive=no tag added on the forum header template, so that those forums that shouldn't have any issue being bumped are free to remain active

Just to try and keep forum history a little cleaner. And so weirdos who go through old forums and decide to bump them like this are less inclined.                                • Puppy's talk page • 12:29 29 Mar

  • (Block log); 09:10 . . Zombiebaron (talk | contribs | block) blocked PuppyOnTheRadio (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 1 day -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 13:10, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

This whole forum

#REDIRECT Irony ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) Proudly bogan 23:24, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I think there should be an exception.

For Forum:Count to a million because it is ongoing and will hopefully never end. Also, people forget to edit it a lot. ~Pleb General Wiseguy the magic! Dan the Hedgehog.png TheHappySpaceman.jpg Eclipse.PNG BANANA BATLETH.png 02:47, 04/01/2012

I have never seen anyone banned for bumping a forum in BHOP. That doean't mean it has never happened, but bumping a forum there is an UN:N violation. The exceptions I was referring to are things like Forum:What are your real names in real life?                                • Puppy's talk page • 03:27 01 Apr
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