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Note: This topic has been unedited for 1248 days. It is considered archived - the discussion is over.
The wiki formerly located at uncyclopedia.wikia.com has been moved to uncyclopedia.ca. Most of what was there is now here.
- Discussion of technical problems is now at Forum:Technical problems on the new website.
- Discussion specific to UnNews is now at Forum:Rebooting UnNews.
- See also Forum:IPv6.
So here we are. I think.
Some things you should probably be aware of:
- I have the edits and such up to yesterday. If you notice anything missing, I probably already have it; it's just not here yet. I appreciate that some of you have taken the trouble of saving articles, but you don't need to. I'm currently importing the most up-to-date dump to http://uncyclopedia.ca/y -- after the move is finalized, I'll combine that wiki with this one so everything will be here. I have an additional copy of just visible pages/edits at http://uncyclopedia.ca/x. Those links probably look ugly because there aren't any extensions installed on those wikis. Also if the site seems slow, it's because of the import. Should be over pretty soon.
- This is the way it is because the scripts aren't designed to import edits into a wiki that has been edited directly. It sees those edits (and log entries, etc), notices that they share IDs with edits it's importing, and leaves them out. Instead I've been making updates to a copy on my home computer system. This copy is being brought over to uncyclopedia.ca/y, and the database for this wiki (uncyclopedia.ca/w) will be combined with the database for that one. We won't lose anything.
- Uploading files is currently disabled. Weirdly enough this is the default setting for MediaWiki, so I would have to turn it on. I haven't done so yet because I still need to copy over some missing images and if people upload images here that might not work if they had the same names. Or maybe it doesn't matter and I should just turn on uploads? I'll definitely turn it on once we're officially here and the old site closes.
❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 18:28 10 May 2019
- I'd say finish the copy process first. Otherwise, editors would be tempted to re-upload stuff that already exists and the last few would not like to re-add their last edits. Might be easier to see if there any conflicts with what's been added to .ca. That said, copying from the FANDOM site must end; I think it should be considered finished at this point rather than wringing out the very last edit. -- Nigel Scribbler (sig button not working here)
- Yes, I've decided to do that. Once the above import finishes, I'll bring this wiki up to date, and we can then consider the move done. I've also enabled uploads. This could all have been planned better...
- Sorry about the signature button. I thought it would be a good idea to install mw:Extension:WikiEditor, which causes a different edit toolbar to appear. This one doesn't have the signature button for some reason. I can uninstall it again if you like, or you can uncheck "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 23:24 10 May 2019
- Import is done. Now for merging... ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 01:48 11 May 2019
- I've done the merge. Edits up to 9 May should now be here. I've retained everything that was done here directly except for two edits by Nigel to Encyclopedia Dramatica (Website) -- that page refused to import for some reason. There will be missing images; I'll get those with rsync. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 06:05 11 May 2019
- Thanks, it's looking good. I don't know if it caused a hiccup but I manually added Amy Poehler and Neil deGrasse Tyson early on and didn't get a chance to delete them before the merge. Otherwise, it just kept my manual versions. --Nigel Scribbler
- There's no problem with that. The pages now have your edits as the latest ones. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 07:34 11 May 2019
- Thanks, it's looking good. I don't know if it caused a hiccup but I manually added Amy Poehler and Neil deGrasse Tyson early on and didn't get a chance to delete them before the merge. Otherwise, it just kept my manual versions. --Nigel Scribbler
- I've done the merge. Edits up to 9 May should now be here. I've retained everything that was done here directly except for two edits by Nigel to Encyclopedia Dramatica (Website) -- that page refused to import for some reason. There will be missing images; I'll get those with rsync. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 06:05 11 May 2019
- I filled in the images from the backup. They should now be complete up to 9 May -- if you notice anything still missing, let me know. Some images are missing from the Wikia site but can be retrieved from mirror.uncyc.org. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 17:12 11 May 2019
Skins
I'm assuming that Fake Vector is now global(?) Then does that mean I can disable personal CSS and personal JS if they aren't disabled already?
There is also the matter of skin setup directions provided on the the front page. Are you really going to support monobook at all? If not, I also assume (stop laughing at me) that the front page link for skins can be deleted. --
(talk) 11:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I have CSS on my browser that assumes Monobook. Spıke 🎙️12:26 14-May-19
- This is real Vector, not fake Vector. We also have Monobook; you can see that as an option in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, as well as the newer "Timeless". These all come with MediaWiki by default. You will not need any more personal Vector-related code unless you want to override the typography refresh. The directions on Skin Choice no longer apply, but there is still a choice of skins that we may want to document somewhere. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 13:13 14 May 2019
- Okay, then
I'm deletingI have deleted the instructions on Skin Choice andreplacingreplaced it it witha "watch this space" advisorya referral to "Preferences". -- (talk) 21:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, then
End of an Era
Wikia-Fandoom pulled the plug today on the old site. I left a message on Sannse's page at Fandoom. It looks like we got out just before the house fell down. --
RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 18:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Was Nigel able to Sound the Alarum to 40 Uncyclopedians before they pulled the plug? (Did they pull the plug because Alarums were being Sounded?!) Spıke 🎙️18:45 14-May-19
- As far as I know there was no "final warning" whistle blown, so there weren't any last-second actions taken, and the spool of numbered tickets for lifeboat seats is still sitting unused in the first mate's cabin. We also didn't get a chance to run the grabbers over the site "one last time" so we are missing new work done in the last few days. (Except for the Wikia version of the "Is Moving" forum, which I happened to have in a Firefox window.) The automatic dump link on the "CLOSED!" page points to a dump from last February, as far as we can tell. Llwy-ar-lawr has requested a more recent "final dump" from Sannse, and we'll see. -- Snarglefoop (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I had five days to do final script runs, but I didn't get to it. I was busy with technical work here and thought we had more time (Romartus suggested the 17th). I'm sorry. I probably wouldn't have gotten absolutely everything in any case, though, because I couldn't have known the exact time. I hope those who wrote or expanded articles in the last days have them saved somewhere and are aware of the new wiki. I can't tell for sure if the dump is from February -- I'm just guessing because I downloaded it and it's the same size.
- Uncyclopedia is dead, long live Uncyclopedia. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 19:09 14 May 2019
- The work I was seeing from the 9th on was pretty minor. Do try to grab it but if not, it is not a big loss.
- Rest in peace old Uncyclopedia. Best wishes for new Uncyclopedia! Kevin (talk) 20:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- We had three notices onsite at Wikia including a sign-up list in the Village Dump pointed to by the site notification "bell". I will be notifying those 40 or so latest contributors (anything more than just a couple of minor edits) today on their message walls at FANDOM. Finally found the user list (duh) and can now go still further back in time for more users.
- RIP Uncyclopedia.wikia. -- (talk) 19:20, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- I was only able to message 5-6 members, dammit. These were nearly all new users that came in after the site separation from FANDOM, so I'm thinking now if there was a record of them as users on FANDOM, they do not exist there now, and they may never have. I'll continue to plow through our users list from a couple months back to see who I can message. -- (talk) 20:51, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, from what I know, quite a few of the new users here were actually from the Uncyclopedia fork. I know User:Roza, User:Supergeeky1 and myself are from en.uncyclopedia.co (scrolling through the user creation log). All others must be from the Wikia days. Kevin (talk) 20:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- News of the Weird: The site's back up. Nigel, if you were looking for additional information re: current users there, or looking to message anybody, now's the time. -- Snarglefoop (talk) 17:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Wow, that was nice of them. I ran the scripts again, so missing data up to today is now at home. I see it's been closed again, though. Probably they just opened it for a little while to update the dump.
- Something I meant to warn you about: your watchlists did not come over when you logged in. StubUserWikiAuth can't get them, and even if it could (like MediaWikiAuth), they wouldn't be the right ones because I pointed the configuration to Wikia Central so logins would keep working after the old site went down. If there's anything important you had in there, I hope you remember what it is so you can readd it. I copied mine with Special:Watchlist/raw. Would have told you to do this, but you can't anymore.
- Supergeeky1 hasn't made any edits here. He didn't seem to have a very positive view of us going here instead of Lyrithya, so he was probably just checking the place out. Also, he has a Wikia Uncyclopedia account from 2009 (Special:Contributions/Un-Supergeeky1, renamed in the user database merge) and a Wikia account from 2007 that is now globally disabled. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 20:57 15 May 2019
- That was annoying about the old site reappearing and then sinking below the waves. I had worked on a special feature/warning template for any lost passengers on the SS Uncyclopedia Wikia.--
RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 21:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- That was annoying about the old site reappearing and then sinking below the waves. I had worked on a special feature/warning template for any lost passengers on the SS Uncyclopedia Wikia.--
- News of the Weird: The site's back up. Nigel, if you were looking for additional information re: current users there, or looking to message anybody, now's the time. -- Snarglefoop (talk) 17:08, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, from what I know, quite a few of the new users here were actually from the Uncyclopedia fork. I know User:Roza, User:Supergeeky1 and myself are from en.uncyclopedia.co (scrolling through the user creation log). All others must be from the Wikia days. Kevin (talk) 20:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- As far as I know there was no "final warning" whistle blown, so there weren't any last-second actions taken, and the spool of numbered tickets for lifeboat seats is still sitting unused in the first mate's cabin. We also didn't get a chance to run the grabbers over the site "one last time" so we are missing new work done in the last few days. (Except for the Wikia version of the "Is Moving" forum, which I happened to have in a Firefox window.) The automatic dump link on the "CLOSED!" page points to a dump from last February, as far as we can tell. Llwy-ar-lawr has requested a more recent "final dump" from Sannse, and we'll see. -- Snarglefoop (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
- Did you know your announcement still shows up when you hover over the bell? It says the site has moved but not where it went. It's like those scenes where a character says "his name is --" and is killed before finishing the sentence.
- Probably what they do when they close a wiki is shut down its MySQL instance. (Yes, they use MySQL.) The wiki can't display after that, and the "closed wiki" page is something custom they have instead of the default "cannot access the database". To update the dump, they have to turn MySQL back on, which makes the wiki come back to life. Only much later do they issue the final, irreversible
drop database uncyclo;and thus close it for good. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 00:45 16 May 2019- The 40 or so users Snarglefoop mentioned were the last truly active ones up to May 1. Ones that were new here at the bitter end are (also) on our user list now found at "Recent changes". The 40 or so plus some others have been contacted via their talk pages and therefore (hopefully) via email. I'll be contacting more users in the next few days, thinking to include new signups going back 6 months, maybe more. -- (talk) 07:37, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing this, but... the accounts here can't have email addresses unless they've logged in. Uncyclopedia accounts were made Wikia-wide after the user database merge of '15, so you should be able to reach them on Wikia Central. You know the account doesn't exist there if and only if there's red text saying that. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 15:19 17 May 2019
- The 40 or so users Snarglefoop mentioned were the last truly active ones up to May 1. Ones that were new here at the bitter end are (also) on our user list now found at "Recent changes". The 40 or so plus some others have been contacted via their talk pages and therefore (hopefully) via email. I'll be contacting more users in the next few days, thinking to include new signups going back 6 months, maybe more. --
Browser issues?
I usually use Chrome on a PC but this site is coming up as a blank when I look for it. It's ok in Firefox. Anyone else having issues? --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 09:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- That sort of thing usually means there's a JavaScript error somewhere. Desciclopédia saw a lot of this sort of thing when they upgraded to MW 1.31 last fall. Bringing up the Javascript debugger (<f12> in most browsers) should display the error message. carlb (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- ##*##AARGH! What Carlb said. The Chrome group of browsers seems to be singularly graceless about notifying you of a Javascript error. If all else fails we could blank the Javascript page (as an temporary emergency fix, just to get the site visible again) but dang, it was working, so it will surely be fixable "the right way". -- Snarglefoop (talk) 14:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- WFM. I tried it from Chrome on a Windows 8.1 box and the main page shows up. It doesn't much like our security, because, I think, of the off-site images (the certificate's valid but the images smell funny), but it looks OK, on both HTTP and HTPPS. Not sure what to make of it -- for now, I'll leave further work on this for Llwy-ar-lawr (or anybody else who wants to poke at it). -- Snarglefoop (talk) 14:30, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- ##*##AARGH! What Carlb said. The Chrome group of browsers seems to be singularly graceless about notifying you of a Javascript error. If all else fails we could blank the Javascript page (as an temporary emergency fix, just to get the site visible again) but dang, it was working, so it will surely be fixable "the right way". -- Snarglefoop (talk) 14:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
- I use a Chrome-based (Blink) browser, Vivaldi. The main page used to be blank for me but started working after I made some changes to MediaWiki:Common.js on the 7th. I thought that was the end of it. If there are further problems, they could be from JavaScript user gadgets. Looking in the developer tools console (for me, right-click > Inspect > "Console" tab) should tell you which one is at fault. There's been a lot of "YAHOO is not defined" ever since Wikia dropped support for the Yahoo JavaScript library, and I never got around to fixing it all. We don't have that here either, so it could be related, though I have an enabled gadget with this problem (MediaWiki:Gadget-quickvfd.js). ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 20:36 15 May 2019
Optimism
To the good:
- We have a new home.
- We are free to use a skin that really imitates Wikipedia (which is, of course, our whole point).
- There will never be any pressure to add a Content Warning to protect the readers too stupid to understand they are at a humor website, at the expense of our humor.
- There will be no pressure to censor nudity or alleged racism to protect Snowflakes or those feigning offense. (In fact, we might get pressured, but the criterion will be protecting this website from lawsuit, and not defending the reputation of a San Francisco corporation and the standing invitations of its Swells to the local soirées.)
This could be what we have wanted, all the time, for at least the decade I've been with the project. For many of the people who quit, the issues they quit over are gone.
To the bad: In addition to Autopatrolled, Admins, and Bureaucrats, we now have a single Owner, who has the de facto power over all decisions, derived by being able to take her ball and bats and go home. Not indeed those other Owners who made their own copy of the project and have wanted to see this copy extinguished since 2013 so they could claim to be it, but an Owner nevertheless. The numerous backups convince us we could find somewhere else to play; but the current technical bafflement suggest we would not want to. (I voted for us to move where no Uncyclopedian would own Uncyclopedia, but they were in analysis-paralysis and didn't want us badly enough.)
The good seems to outweigh the bad. And it could be very good. Spıke 🎙️01:19 17-May-19
Discord server
Do you have any plans of setting up a Discord server for this specific Uncyclopedia project? Roza (talk) 00:28, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think this is a good idea for this Uncyclopedia. They and us have different culture ever since the split (which is why we are still two, not one). We don't want to follow the path they had; playing with dank-memer instead of posting articles or having closed discussion not necessarily "anyone can edit", do we? (I am not against they do their way, but I am clearly against we follow their way. It will destroy the uniqueness of our community. If we have decided not to reunite, then we should stick to it, and make our community another unique one)--The Pioneer (talk) 03:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- I have heard of no plans to set up a Discord server, a chat room, a Pakistani help desk, or a pavilion at the 2020 World's Fair. And, being a cheapskate, I rather like having a single venue to find out what is happening on the website. We have been victimized by closed discussions, also by the notion that the discussions were actually open, if one cared to spend one's evenings on a venue populated by all the Uncyclopedians who never write funny stuff.
- Pioneer, thank you for explaining the "different culture" of this website. Though you state on User talk:Roza that our move here is "making the split even harder to fix". The split would have been fixed by snuffing out this website—which, once we "voted" to be hosted at Uncyclomedia, Lyrithia could have achieved, after 6 years of trying, by simply doing nothing, which she then proceeded to do. I humbly suggest that you prove you have arrived to write funny stuff and not "fix the split"; or at least ensure that your positive contributions outweigh any drama. Spıke 🎙️10:39 18-May-19
- OK, as a general principle, I personally believe that the split communities (including not only the English communities but also the Russians, the Polish, etc.) should reunite at some point if possible, to be honest. However, at the same time I do understand that the two English communities have gone far different paths (perhaps too far to force one community to join the other), and thus am not an active supporter to campaign here for reunification/merger (both on public and private channels).
- I think the only way to "prove" myself being here to write funny stuff is to actually write articles asap. Fine, I understand that and will try my best. However, please remember that my main community is on Miraheze (where I'm often busy dealing with other wikis), and I primarily came as a visitor to see what happened after the Fandom's kick.--The Pioneer (talk) 13:23, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
- Technical discussion moved to Forum:Technical problems on the new website (under DPL)
I don't get it...
Why didn't UnWikia merge with Uncyclopedia.co? --Mohicans ☆ Mahalo~! 01:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- rarityfan, go suck a rock. Shut up or you'll get blocked. -- Snarglefoop (talk) 01:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- They really can't merge, either. There's 5-6 years of separate rewrites and do-overs. Nobody has the ability or time to merge thousands of sets of two vastly differently articles on the same subject. All you have to do is look at an article with the same name at both sites. I have and often. Or are you saying that the "good" article gets saved and the "bad" one shitcanned? Doesn't work like that, it's all opinion and whoever screams the most when they get butthurt. -- (talk) 02:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not saying anything regarding quality, I just find it weird and confusing that there are two forks now, especially when iirc there was more than enough support for you guys to join the .co site. --Mohicans ☆ Mahalo~! 15:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Further to my comments in the previous section: (1) There was no vote on "joining" the other site. There was a vote on colocating with it, an arrangement that would make it easy to snuff out this website merely by doing nothing, which then happened. When the destination prepared for us was unusuable and our website was peppered with content from the other, we came here instead. (2) I'm betting you do not find it weird and confusing, but that your role in putting us out of business is to feign naïveté. (3) It would be fine if you would prove, forthwith, that you have logged in to write funny stuff and not to disaffect our users or continue six years of drama. Otherwise, as the Bard put it, GTFO. Spıke 🎙️15:33 20-May-19
- The original vote (which got Sockpuppeted) was about a new host. Not about 'merging' anything by way of the database. As outlined above, this has increasingly become problematic as regards the accumulated edit/article differences. At least with two uncyclopedias, users have a choice of where they want to head off to. --RomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 17:34, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- The original vote (which got Sockpuppeted) was about a new host. Not about 'merging' anything by way of the database. As outlined above, this has increasingly become problematic as regards the accumulated edit/article differences. At least with two uncyclopedias, users have a choice of where they want to head off to. --
- Further to my comments in the previous section: (1) There was no vote on "joining" the other site. There was a vote on colocating with it, an arrangement that would make it easy to snuff out this website merely by doing nothing, which then happened. When the destination prepared for us was unusuable and our website was peppered with content from the other, we came here instead. (2) I'm betting you do not find it weird and confusing, but that your role in putting us out of business is to feign naïveté. (3) It would be fine if you would prove, forthwith, that you have logged in to write funny stuff and not to disaffect our users or continue six years of drama. Otherwise, as the Bard put it, GTFO. Spıke 🎙️15:33 20-May-19
- I'm not saying anything regarding quality, I just find it weird and confusing that there are two forks now, especially when iirc there was more than enough support for you guys to join the .co site. --Mohicans ☆ Mahalo~! 15:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- They really can't merge, either. There's 5-6 years of separate rewrites and do-overs. Nobody has the ability or time to merge thousands of sets of two vastly differently articles on the same subject. All you have to do is look at an article with the same name at both sites. I have and often. Or are you saying that the "good" article gets saved and the "bad" one shitcanned? Doesn't work like that, it's all opinion and whoever screams the most when they get butthurt. --
Did the Fork scramble content on purpose?
I don't think what happened with un.uncyclopedia.co was on purpose.
❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 20:20 20 May 2019
- That is a screenshot from en. If you are arguing that un. being peppered with content from en. was inadvertent because en. is also peppered with content from un., I think a better explanation is that en. stole our Anonnotice. Of course there is no copyright by which we can prevent it, but I wrote "mother ship" to mean "original Uncyclopedia" and this is more of their signature game of claiming they are the real thing and we are not. At any rate, Uncyclopedians, before I reappeared, called our new home "unusable." Whether the unusability was "intentional" matters as little as whether Hillary Clinton "intended" to commit felony misuse of classified US documents. Spıke 🎙️20:59 20-May-19
- I thought they might have done that at first (though it would be weird to also copy the text about the user database merge), but then I checked their anonnotice. It's blank. Your text isn't in the history either. Also, the whole page is actually wrong except for the logo and the icons in the bottom right. This wasn't immediately obvious until I looked at it on Linux, where it displayed correctly and I saw that not only was there no anonnotice, but the sidebar, the links in the upper right, the template documentation, and the modification date and license info at the bottom were all different. The upper right says only "Log in", indicating that account creation is disabled, when it is not.
- Of course, from our perspective it doesn't matter why any of this happened, but I thought it was worth noting. It seems clear that they are serving cached content for the wrong wikis. I also saw this when visiting cs:Special:Interwiki and being shown fr:Special:Interwiki instead. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 21:33 20 May 2019
- That is a screenshot from en. If you are arguing that un. being peppered with content from en. was inadvertent because en. is also peppered with content from un., I think a better explanation is that en. stole our Anonnotice. Of course there is no copyright by which we can prevent it, but I wrote "mother ship" to mean "original Uncyclopedia" and this is more of their signature game of claiming they are the real thing and we are not. At any rate, Uncyclopedians, before I reappeared, called our new home "unusable." Whether the unusability was "intentional" matters as little as whether Hillary Clinton "intended" to commit felony misuse of classified US documents. Spıke 🎙️20:59 20-May-19
- This is Linux:
- ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr • talk • contribs • 21:56 20 May 2019
- Fraternizing with the enemy. There's no way this is intentional, and their server people aren't paying attention to it. I emailed an image of the screwed up page to Zombiebaron, and told him he should go scare up Bizeebeaver and sic him on this. (We could just ignore it and laugh at them, but in the words of King Richard the First, "it would be wrong".) -- Snarglefoop (talk) 22:55, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
