Forum:Do we even have rules for IRC?

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Hi, I don't like what I'm going to say here. But it's the truth, so here it goes. Uncyclopedia has been a nice place for me to hang out the last one and a half years and I've made a lot of great friends and done a lot of great stuff. This is not my point.

My point to make is that I am sick to fucking death of being harassed by the site sysops (not all of them, just 1 or 2) repetitively, unapologetically and just plain fucking insensitively on the site IRC channel, quite literally to the point I rarely go there these days because instead of a nice conversation with Lyrithya, Zombiebaron, Mattsnow or any number of other users I get repeatedly insulted to the point I say fuck it, why do I fucking bother? I think I've made it clear on the IRC channel I don't particularly enjoy being treated like a child (yes I'm only 15 but for fuck sake you could show me a little shred of respect), but it's repeatedly said "LOL, NOBODY CARES ABOUT IRC", "Go cry to mummy" or some other hoard of derogatory shit.

We have rules, and they are surprisingly simple:

• Be funny
• Don't be a dick

Why is it so fucking hard, for some people just to be nice to everyone. It's simple, just be nice. THAT EASY. No exceptions, nothing complicated to rememeber just don't be an asshole. And this for some unknown reason, does not apply to the IRC channel, and its about time it did and I mean everybody not just regular users but the site administrators as well.

I'm sorry to have bring this up for the n^th, but something has gotta give, I literally dread going onto IRC because I don't enjoy it anymore, I detest going there, because of just a few people who can't be nice.

And if anyone has a go at me for whatever reason, such as that its IRC and that I should whine to someone who cares, I will gladly just walk out of here without a second glance, I've reached my limit here. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 02:40, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Shit, do you mean people are joking on an IRC channel for a joke wiki? That's fucking INSANITY! – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 02:47 Mar 07, 2012

On a more serious note, I created almost this exact forum several years ago when I had less of a sense of humor, and it became such a drama-bomb that the forum was eventually deleted. So just... you know... learn how to take a joke. That's what I did. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 02:49 Mar 07, 2012

I've never been on IRC, except for one minute to look around and then got out of there. My thing is that I'd rather spend my time on Uncy actually on the site, and that I belive there should be no secrets here, no two person conversations about other users, about pages, or whatever. Frosty, you are a soaring presence here. Taking a few days off isn't a bad idea sometimes, if that helps. And what should help even more is the rule people leave out: Rule 3 Dance like you've never danced before. Why isn't anyone ever banned for breaking that? Aleister 2:52 7-3-'12

Some people just aren't very adept at dancing, Aleister. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 03:04, 7 March 2012

There's a difference between joking and being extremely rude, though. Just saying. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 02:54, 7 March 2012

Just a little. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 02:55, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I got over it. I'm sure anyone else can. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 02:56 Mar 07, 2012

I no doubt will, but I don't like the culture of the IRC channel being somewhere on uncyc you can safely be a dickhead and get away with it. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 02:58, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Being a dickhead and putting up with dickheads is a part of Uncyclopedian culture, though. When I arrived, the admins were a bunch of tightass dickheads who banned you if you took the slightest step out of line. The problem is that Uncyclopedia's dickery has toned down so much that when people are joking around, it's not done in a properly over-the-top way to communicate that it is, in fact, a joke. So we're kind of hovering in this awkward place between being politically correct, or making a joke and possibly having the wrath of the site thrown onto you. It sucks. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 03:01 Mar 07, 2012

That's not to say that the rule "don't be a dick" doesn't apply here; it does. However, "don't be a dick" doesn't mean "don't act like a dick," because that's always been allowed. "Don't be a dick" means more like, don't do dickish things. Don't, for example, post another user's personal information in a forum. Don't find their Facebook account and flood their wall with furry porn. Don't follow another user around the site and flame them constantly.
And the funny thing, too, is that you can be a dick without acting like one. You might, for example, be a super passive-aggressive user who isn't outright cursing people out or insulting their mums, but nevertheless disrupts the site in their passive-aggressive ways. Someone who appears nice but clearly has other motive. (No, I don't have a particular user in mind.) It's a subtle difference, acting like a dick vs. being a dick, and it's highly subjective, especially when some users have mock-dickishness so far engraved in their online persona that you'd probably never get them to admit outright that they're a fairly decent person.
I guess the best example I can give of this phenomenon is Maddox. His entire gimmick is acting like the Internet's biggest dick, but he's actually a nice person in reality. That's acting like a dick without actually being one. Maddox would be the sort of person who'd make a good Uncyclopedian. Except he'd never join us because we're a bunch of useless cunts. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 03:13 Mar 07, 2012

That's one thing I never quite got. Are people supposed to be offended by these completely ludicrous statements involving one's mother or are they supposed to laugh at the absurdity of it? —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 03:25, 7 March 2012

You mention that there are only a few users that are the problem. Maybe if you listed those users we could deal with specific cases instead of gross generalizations. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 03:03, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's mainly <insert name here>. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 03:05 Mar 07, 2012

Certainly: Mainly Almost entirely Olipro, and to a lesser much lesser extent Lollipop and Dr. Skullthumper. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 03:06, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I know for a fact that Olipro and Skully sometimes make jokes that may be construed as insults. The best solution to this, if it bothers you, is to return in kind. Lollipop mostly only ever starts shit with you, because of what I assume is some sort of disagreement between the two of you. -- Brigadier General Sir Zombiebaron 03:14, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Frosty is right. "Fuck you, asshole" is not really a clever joke at all, and it's not even funny. There's a difference between poking and being downright insulting. Mattsnow 03:31, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

The fact that it isn't clever at all is, in itself, the joke. It's such a lame insult that no one could ever take it seriously, like your momma jokes. Do none of you guys have close male friends IRL? This stuff should be second nature. Dr. Skullthumper

Maybe it's an English thing. I've never heard a Belgian your momma joke. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 03:54, 7 March 2012

You know, some of us aren't male, and aye, cultural standards do differ.

1234 ~ 03:56, 7 March 2012

The thing is that we don't really know each other and that irony and sarcasms are translating much better IRL than on the internet. Mattsnow 17:46, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Then, as MrN says down below, just try to imagine that the internet is just real life. It isn't that hard; you basically already do it when you ascribe personalities to phantom word processing comedybots with big, fancy signatures. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 18:12, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

From the log

It looks like what happened was Frosty joined the channel, there were greetings all around, and Olipro also insultingly greeted him. So Frosty asked him why he's such a dick - a rather interesting question, really, considering just how often the guy is a dick, though really, that by itself isn't necessarily a problem; folks jokingly make rude remarks all the time, and I believe Olipro specifically likes to refer to it as banter. The problem is when people don't stop when it is made clear that the other person doesn't appreciate it, and someone asking why they're such a dick seems like it should be a pretty good indication that they indeed don't appreciate. Instead of stopping, however, Olipro congratulated himself on having upset Frosty, then asked Frosty if he was having a hard time, and how he felt about his dad being a sheep-shagger... er, kiwi; same thing. So Frosty left.

Frankly, I don't blame him. This sort of thing is not at all productive, not when it's aimed at people who want no part of it, and as much as some of you might want to argue that people should grow thicker skins, perhaps you should consider growing a thicker brain and consider that you are not the only people here, despite editor-retention trends leading in that direction. This is a collaborative project, and to collaborate, understanding others is a requirement, same as understanding what the hell you're doing in the first place. 1234 ~ 03:37, 7 March 2012

Now that we're on the topic, what the hell am I doing? No really, I have no idea. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 03:40, 7 March 2012

Neither do I. But I also get this feeling this is going to turn into an even bigger pile of asshattery than UotM.

1234 ~ 03:56, 7 March 2012

If only we could end this with "grow a sense of humor". Alas, the old days of Uncyclopedia are long past, it would seem. Sad, really. – Sir Skullthumper, MD (criticize • writings • SU&W) 03:59 Mar 07, 2012

Yes, grow a sense of humour, stop repeating the same tired things over and over and maybe use some new dance moves once in a while, and don't be a dick. Alas, the good old days are gone.

1234 ~ 04:03, 7 March 2012

I'd rather end it on a "learn how to mess with Olipro" note. You can get him to believe the most incredible things, I tell you. —Sir Socky (talk) (stalk) GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 04:05, 7 March 2012

I'm afraid to ask.

1234 ~ 05:03, 7 March 2012

This is a collaborative humor project, and to collaborate humorously, we should be able to poke fun at each other like real goddamn humor collaborators. We are not a sensitive colony of humor puritans. We make jokes about rape and the holocaust and feature them; within reason, we ought to be able to recognize dickishness and turn it into camaraderie, not drama. People need to stop threatening to overhaul the system or run off the site every time some gay asshole tries to stick a verbal dick in their collective ass. Really, it's just nonsense.

Bottom line: If someone acts nice to you, act nice back. If someone is a dick, then be an even bigger dick, because clearly they give less of a shit than you. That's how friends are made, and making friends ia really what IRC is for. -- T​K​F​​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​U​CK 15:35, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Basically as with on the wiki...

Don't say anything in a chat room that you would not say if you were sitting opposite that person in real life and they could get up and smack you in the mouth. Goes double if you are a sysop and they are not. If it helps Frosty, IMO Olipro and DrS are not assholes when you get to know them. They just appear that way. MrN  Fork you! 18:01, Mar 7

Uncyclopedia is the wurst :)

This place has become a pretty amicable place to be around. It's way more pleasant than a year ago, and when I read some of the forums and talk pages from a few years ago, I'm kind of laughing but also cringing inside thinking "yikes". The against voting on VFH has far more constructive criticism, it seems to me that theres a lot less drama than before, theres a lot more colaboration than before and people (except some pretty spicy but short lived disagreements on forums) are just hunky-dory swell gosh gosh gosh. The most picante ticklish polemic issue right now is: should we add some small adds or not to the bottom of the page. Little news is good news.

Then there is IRC. And sometimes ... I just think ... well ... double double "yikes". Hopefuly there will come some ground rules for IRC and stuff! --ShabiDOO 00:36, March 8, 2012 (UTC)