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This video was on the Reddit front page, which was one of the sites who initiated the SOPA blackout. It's already sparking a little shitstorm there. Mattsnow 07:21, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

File:Worse than SOPA? CISPA to censor Web in name of cybersecurity

Sounds like that we need to propose another blackout.

Like we did to protest against SOPA in January, we must participate the blackout in the same way. We need something along the lines of "you guys are stupid; we need to blackout again in support" or something. |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Man on Fire CUN|IC Kill | 09:37, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it seems this one will be on the Congress floor soon. Mattsnow 09:44, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Fuck no, I am totally against having another blackout. And I am speaking for every user that was against the last blackout: If you want to take a day off Uncyclopedia, don't request a blackout or whatever. Get off the computer and go outside for a day, do something else, I don't care. If you want to not contribute for a day then be my guest. But we do not need to black out the entire site because there are actually users that want to contribute. Also I highly doubt that a blackout is going to be an affective protect, do you really think congress will give a shit if a website than most of the American population hasn't even heard of goes out for a day? No they will not. Instead of organizing another blackout which is just gonna piss off users, try contributing. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 10:29, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Er.. I think I do. Mattsnow 10:33, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I was directing this more at Joe than you, seeing as he has made a total of under 100 edits in the past month. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 10:37, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's very early to speculate, but I'd rather take one day off from editing Uncy because it is blacked out in protest than one day not being able to edit forever because the site has been put offline. May I remind you that almost all the pics on this site could be infringements, therefore being enough of an excuse to shut the site down if tougher laws are implanted. Mattsnow 11:15, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Matt speaks wisdom to us unwashed masses here. Maybe we should follow wikipedia's lead if something emerges from this. The control freaks in government probably figure that the internet won't protest again, and even if it did it's old hat now, so they just rename a law and at some point it will go through. As for Joe cutting back on edits recently, I'm glad he stuck around at all after the unprecendented (at least in my time here) dick storm he took on UotM last month just because some clown asshat nominated him mainly for his important role in initiating the first SOPA protest. Aleister 11:49 6-4-'12

2012's greatest change is against the net. SOPA will suceed and we will all die like the mayans say. --fcukmanLOOS3R! 12:26, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

That's the spirit! Al 12:28 6-4-'12

“What the mayan's calendar told us is not the doomsday of the world, but is the collapse of mankind's greatest invention due to it's naive thinking that it is the great world protector.”

~ This is what they say.

As I said, very much too early to speculate, but since we're a parody of Wikipedia, we should just do what they do should anything come out of this. Just wanted to share a piece of info. Mattsnow 14:15, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

That is all

CISPA

I am not moved by a fake newscast about US politics from Russia Today (rt.com). Nor by the fact that some of our 535 legislators propose goofball bills; every month there is a flurry of junk e-mails about the "proposed" 1% tax on bank transactions.

The bill in question is the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) of 2011. It was sponsored by Mike Rogers (R-Michigan), sent to the House Committee on Intelligence (that's funny), edited, and sent back to the House by a vote of 17-1. This suggests that the House will pass it, but remember that the Senate is controlled by the other party.

The gist of the bill is to authorize the CIA and other agencies to "share information on cyber threats" including hacking and denial-of-service attempts, with private agencies, and to grant temporary security clearances to their personnel. The biggest threat is that this is more government "prevention," involving action before a crime is committed, and that it will involve ISPs sharing with the government information on innocent subscribers. The bill authorizes cooperation but does not seem to require it.

The bill is not long, and can be read here. At the moment, this text does not include changes that were made in committee. The argument that more safeguards are needed, or that the bill isn't needed at all, is best made by Americans to their Congressmen, not by websites holding their noses until they turn blue. Spıke Ѧ 12:51 6-Apr-12

The very alarming part is that the bill allows for the temporary deputization of private workers (at, say, ISPs) so they can circumvent laws against sharing gov't documents w/ non-gov't agents and laws against sharing customers' private data w/out a subpoena. That this is all done to prevent potential cyber threats is even worse. It basically removes any legal incentive for private entities to not comply, as they would (1) not have to worry about violating privacy laws or even their own ToS agreements since they can be temporary federal gov't workers whenever it's convenient for them to be so, and (2) not have to worry about such breaches of privacy becoming public and pissing off customers since they "shall be exempt from disclosure". This all would apply to Wikia, and therefore would apply to us and to our users. So this should be a very big concern for us individually and as a community (and if you think this won't affect you since you don't live in America, you're dead wrong). --Hotadmin4u69 ^[TALK] 14:49 Apr 6 2012

One word standing;WE'RE ALL DOOMED.--fcukmanLOOS3R! 15:33, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Quibbles with EMC: (1) The "incentive" not to comply is the same one that induces McDonald's to use neither arsenic nor Pink Slime: fear of losing customers, either one-by-one or by organized boycott. (2) The disclosure protected against seems mostly government disclosure of proprietary information, such as to competitors. Entirely separately, Congress tried by law to protect AT&T from a private lawsuit for complying with a federal demand for subscriber data--Don't remember how this wound up.

When adversaries, as in SOPA/PIPA, are defeated by the glare of light, they don't go away nor change their goals; they just get sneakier. However, CISPA (the date is 2011!) does not seem to be a rehash of SOPA with its "off switch for the Internet," but a separate bill moving in parallel. It might facilitate disclosure of private data, but what drives disclosure is the notion that every business should be licensed and every license should be able to be pulled for not Playing Ball with the government. Anyone who has real clout should instead use it to repeal the parts of USA PATRIOT (enacted or extended by Congresses and Presidents of both parties) that require some private companies to disclose your data to Homeland Security whenever it or a secret court assert a terrorism threat, and require them not to tell you they did so. Spıke Ѧ 21:18 6-Apr-12

Not so sure about this one

Despite Frosty's fairly agressive opposition to the black out (which is also very out of character for him) and SPIKE's perhaps slightly apologetic tone about the bill (which may all be true or not...he's always been a very convincing speaker) ... I still think this bill stinks of poo poo and ka ka. However ... I don't think a black out a few months later is the answer to a questionable piece of American legislation. We could have a quick competition to write articles that redicules this bill and if it garners enough votes on VFH we could feature them the day before and during any actual vote on the bill ... and I think that would show our protest and help bring other peoples attention to the issue ... more than yet another black out. Nice to see you back on the site SPIKE. --ShabiDOO 21:22, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

See Forum:The Internet is the power to.... Congress ought to get laid off. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 21:27, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hey, guys. Just saying. I modified {{IPjoin}} so that it has extra parameters for a custom message and a signature! -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 02:21, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

"A quick competition to write articles that redicules this bill" is an orthodoxy. Drawing posters that parrot a designated theme should be left to second-graders. Separately, I've rolled back Qzekrom on Minitrue, which is there to give new users hints on funny UnNewses they could write, not to give new users hints on the opinions we want them to spout through their satire. Spıke Ѧ 13:05 12-Apr-12

Okay.... Hey, what's wrong with <noinclude>instructions</noinclude> in a template? -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 15:33, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

We are a parody website. Writing articles that parody things and ridicules them...would not be anything innovative on uncyclopedia. Articles are only substandard and second grade...when you write them sub standard and second grade...which most regular writers dont. --ShabiDOO 19:45, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I mean, what's wrong with providing template documentation, as long as it's hidden in <noinclude></noinclude>? -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:56, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

I have no problem with you providing template documentation. I do have a problem with you singlehandedly setting policy, to-wit, that Minitrue headlines are to inexplicably prefer single-quotes in the British style, signing yourself UnNews Staff. I have a separate problem when you revert me, having never rebutted me, with the Change Summary: Aw, please. It's not important. I have a separate problem with you using Minitrue to goad newbies to write UnNewses to support your Quixotic crusade against CISPA, almost as big as with ChiknSpectre using Minitrue to goad newbies into ridiculing the American politicians he finds ridiculous. Minitrue ought to be based on actual news, and it ought to solicit humor--not didactic results. Spıke Ѧ 01:54 16-Apr-12

Oh, sorry. You can do whatever the hell you want, and I'm not trying to set any policies. It's a suggestion provided by a user who has some experience in journalism. I'm not trying to coax anyone into joining the CISPA protest (though they probably would if they stumbled upon this page), I just think it might be funny if you switched the parties around so it sounds like Wikipedia's the evil one, not Congress. It's for consistency's sake as most articles very remotely related to Wikipedia "criticize" them. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:45, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Still, wikipedia will have more minds and eyes on this than we have here...

... so let's consider seeing what they say or do. Does anyone know? Well, Jimbo will lead us, we are but his band of electonic ciphers. I personally don't know very much about this bill, or even the dates it is to be voted on, but there seems to be differing opinions here about what it would do to fair use. Aleister 3:08 12-4-'12

Yeah.... I asked them at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Open Access. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 03:17, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt but WE TOTALLY NEED TO BLACKOUT! -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 15:30, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Another video from Al Gore owned Current TV

File:CISPA = SOPA 2.0?

Mattsnow 20:12, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Okay... did anyone look at Forum:The Internet is the power to... yet? There's a discussion there. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 20:22, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

It seems Zuckerberg support CISPA... Mattsnow 00:18, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

You guys had a blackout thing for SOPA? Did anyone happen to take a screenshot? ~jcm 00:36, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Here: SOPA but you couldn't enter. Mattsnow 00:38, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

I know about that. What do you mean? -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 00:45, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

We should ban everyone that supports CISPA. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 01:59, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

On second thought, maybe not. We should... mass-produce propaganda and distribute it throughout the observable Internet. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 02:04, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, no. Congress ought to get laid off.

“What's the opposite of progress? Congress!”

~ Oscar Wilde on SOPA, PIPA, Open Act & CISPA

-- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 02:15, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Plan B: Any Ideas?

Tell us your idea of a way to combat CISPA below! -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 02:06, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

A message to Qzekrom

Did i tell you how many times about this?

I don't know why are you acting like a 14 year old child that first touched something called internet censorship. But in 2012 the mayans predicted that the internet/world will end and if it actually happens this (CISPA) will be why. I am no means of supporting this tyrannical treaty; i am telling you not to be overreacted. But the mayans predicted this to happen and if the mayans were right we have nothing to do but sit and die. Now keep calm already.--fcukmanLOOS3R! 07:38, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Because I am a 14 year old child that first touched something called internet censorship. We just need to be patient. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 18:56, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

I am a 14 year old boy who is the reincarnation of a 14 year old girl who was the reincarnation of many many 14 year olds going back to the first mayan civilization in 15,000BC. While we did predict the internet, as well as internet censorship, we had no knowledge of CISPA nor any knowledge of the one alled Mr-ex777. We did however predict that the earth would implode, explode, radiate sulfer, open portals in different dimentions, thermally melt, sunami itself to destruction and create clouds of ash that would rain down on all of humanity, however, nothing as I have said before about CISPA. --ShabiDOO 19:19, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

I know. However, it's a good idea to act before it's too late! -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:21, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Qzekrom, I like your enthusiasm :P Mattsnow 21:35, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

As Mohammad said "Allah is compasionate and merciful. He will wipe sinners from the face of the earth and let them burn forever and ever. Praise be Allahs name the compassionate and merciful". So yeah mr Qzekrom... it might not be a bad idea to prepare yourself for all eventualities! --ShabiDOO 22:06, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Zqzezkrom, you are a warrior for the internests, and that is a very good thing. I mentioned above that we should take our lead on this from Wikipedia, and if they stall maybe then we can lead and do something. I haven't read or heard of what they have in mind, does anybody know? Aleister 22:14 15-4-'12

I'm starting a discussion at Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#CISPA_blackout%3F -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 22:56, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

I actually included a cross-reference to this discussion. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 22:57, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh yeah? Check out on your wikipedia post what wikipedia puts up when you try to link to an Uncyclopedia page. Aleister 23:00 15-4-'12

Resetting the discussion

It's funny how it's RussiaTV, Al Jazeera, and Current TV that are already talking about CISPA, but not a word from the major media. Of course, they were for SOPA too, the Internet is a thorn in their side, since it's not only a conglomerate of 3 or 4 companies that are able to control everything. It seems Facebook will support CISPA, AND Google, which wasn't the case with SOPA. Mattsnow 23:07, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

We stand alone, with our fingers in the dyke to stem the leaks which are aiming to destroy the innernests. Jimbo Wales, save us once again. Jimbo? Aleister 23:10 15-4-'12

No, not

Google

Google

. They'll stay colorful as ever. In fact, Google's Chief Internet Evangelist Vint Cerf actually sent me an email telling me to start something (see: Forum:The Internet is the power to...), in case something like this happened. So Google will probably not support the fucking bill. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 23:13, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

A full list of CISPA supporters is available here. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 23:16, April 15, 2012 (UTC)

The congressman who introduced CISPA, Mike Rogers, is the same guy that said that Julian Assange deserves the death penalty [1] I think he doesn't like freedom of information. Mattsnow 00:08, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Mike Rogers clearly deserves the death penalty. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 00:39, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

What is it with some people and control of the internet? I think if "we" all can hold off the control-freaks for a couple of more years the net might sail along in good shape for a long time. Good work Qzekrom, you have a drive for fairness and you do things about it. That's a fun road to travel. Aleister 3:38 16-4-'12

an excellent soloution in case they destroy the internet

GO EVERYBODY GO! THEY ARE HELL-BENT ON DESTROYING THE NET! WE MUST STAND UP AND FIGHT!

This is by Mr-ex777, but he doesen't want to sig. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr-ex777 (talk • contribs)

Then we'll join forces with Wikipedia and Wordpress and Google and Reddit again and declare war on America! -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:51, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

File:CISPA FUCKING SUCKS

-- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:55, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Another video

File:'CISPA pushed by spy & tech companies for profit'

Hey, guys. If you want to be part of the discussion, add either or both of the following hashtags to your posts on Facebook, Twitter, Google+ or whatever the hell you use:

#cispa#congressTMI

-- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 20:47, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with the guy (3:35) when he said that Congress is going to be amused when you complain and they don't give a shit what you think. They're not doing their job because they're not actually representing Americans. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 20:53, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

“ Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. ”

—Martin Luther King, Jr., http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/freedom.html#fhDbGWZU4RdsMqRS.99

-- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 21:00, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

CISPA protest hats

Maybe. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 02:54, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

Mike Rogers is the guy that said Assange should be shot

<Youtube>DkSSQYVhOao&feature=g-u-u&context=G2006950FUAAAAAAAAAA</Youtube>

Mattsnow 02:50, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly agree. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 23:10, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Update (Congress)

Congress has just recently passed it, if anyone hasn't yet gotten the word: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/congresses-passes-cispa.php Also:

File:CISPAtriot Act End of privacy approved by House

--Alpha Quintesson (talk) 20:51, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

OH, SHIT!

OH, SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 22:12, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

But there's hope...

There's a chance that Obama will veto it and we'll get of scot-free because we've got a shitload of copyright infringement on us. See also: Forum:Too many files. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 22:17, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well, Qzekrom, make a protest. |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Man on Fire CUN|IC Kill | 04:24, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Obama said he'd veto it in its current form. Mattsnow 05:35, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I hope so. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:57, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I've been protesting for the past month! Even at my school where nobody is smart enough to give a shit about this shit. -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:57, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Columnist reviews CISPA

Mark Baisley writes an opinionated but even-handed review of CISPA, who likes it, who doesn't like it, and what it might do, in the conservative TownHall.com.

Bush, in addition to the "U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act," had Poindexter and Operation Echelon. Obama, prior to SOPA, proposed White House power to switch off the Internet in national emergencies. As the columnist notes, CISPA carries the risk of disclosure of personal information as the government deputizes ISPs as third-party wiretappers. Obama-care, just like Bush's "Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act"--which are now law--raise much more direct privacy issues.

I do not trust this Congress or this President, but this bill does not take direct aim at on-line creative expression. People who want to use Uncyclopedia as a tool of political agitation should be consistent, and to propose an agenda we could all agree on. That would be a laugh riot. Spıke Ѧ 07:54 30-Apr-12

I never trusted this Congress, so.... -- This has been an automated message by Cute Zekrom (talk) 19:28, April 30, 2012 (UTC)