Talk:Discordianism

For the original article, see here.

Better yet, why do They have Discordianism confused with Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard? As far as I knew they were completely separate religions. Ah, our greatest enemies resurface.

-Mira, the Intent Observer

Why would some idiot divulge the secrets of the sacred chao on a webpage devoted to lies?

-Rev Ziffo Odorous Leper Fuck, KSC, EMT, DDT, BS

I agree. Why have we got a totally factually dry and boring steal from Wikipedia rather than our own gloriously lie filled version? -Glamwhorebunni the 17th. Pope (occassionally, not on Thursdays)

All that you've hEaRd (oR Read) about thIS (oR moRE likEly not thIS Exactly but one lIke It) IS moSt dEfInItEly SubjEct to quEStIonS concErnIng thE allEgEd InvalIdIty of thE afoREmEntIonEd. I couldn't (dIs)agREE moRE If you had It tatood on youR aRsE and Ran down thE Road nakEd (foRE-aft-wISE) ScrEamIng tRuth! tRuth! lIES! tRuth! TRUTH! And to thInk that thIS IS thE bESt that "thEy" could come up wIth. ~Rev. Dr. Puddles D.M.~D.D. ss~KSC M.F.E

We can do better people! Surely, someone can make this funny!

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IMPERIAL COLONIZATION BEGINS HERE

This is copied from Uncyclopedia talk:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism. See that page and Uncyclopedia:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism for the history of the colonization and the rest of the history for this article.  IC Buccaneer Admiral WHY??? (stratagems)  22:45, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sunday - Wednesday: Concept and development

During the four days from Sunday, 21 March 2010, to Wednesday, 24 March 2010, ideas for the current colonization, which is

DISCORDIANISM

can be were hashed out here. The discussion below should be geared towards what sort of concept the article will have. All colonizers are welcome to participate in the discussion.

On early Thursday, 25 March 2010, a general outline from these ideas will be was compiled and posted at Uncyclopedia_talk:Imperial_Colonization/Discordianism#DISCORDIANISM:_YOUR_GUIDE_TO_CHAOTICALLY_SAVING_THE_WORLD. Other things that could happen during this planning phase include deciding which participants will be working on which sections, although that is strictly optional.

Post your opinions and ideas for DISCORDIANISM below.

Resources to guide discussions

Through the history of colonization, some things have been found to work well. You might want to check User:SysRq/Example_Colonization and see Uncyclopedia_talk:Imperial_Colonization/Creationism#IMPERIAL_COLONIZATION_OF_THIS_ARTICLE_BEGINS_HERE and Uncyclopedia talk:Imperial Colonization/Batman for ideas on how to begin. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 03:51, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Article ideas

VOTE QUICKLY--CURRENT DEADLINE IS 03:00 UTC 25 MARCH 2010 (or slightly after)

As we don't have a consensus yet, I'm making this a vote. You can vote for one or two; your choice. In case of a tie, I reserve the right to decide between the top vote getters. I'm changing suggestions into noms; if you want to change it to a nom and for, do it--but no more than two votes for. Comment on all you want to make comments on. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 16:44, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

A DAP saves humanity from the curse of Greyface

Score: 3 DAPs

• Nom and For. How about a story about Eris, in the form of one of the Discordian American Princesses (I'd say Miley gets to pick which one, and Cyrus herself ain't a bad choice) going on a mission to remove the Curse of Greyface from the human race. As she does this we can work in all the data about Discordianism, in a funny way of course. During her quest none of the humans with the Curse can understand her mission until it is complete. Then, when the curse is lifted, yay, they all instantly 'get it', happily do away with all wars and such unfun things, and live happily everafter, the end. But more detailed and funnier than that. On the old page, I looked for something to save and all I could find were the external links, which are quite good. Aleister in Chains 15:14 21 3 MMX

"Miley gets to pick which one" :) DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 17:43, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

• For DAP saves the world! DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 20:44, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

• For Absolutely--DirectorWILLYOU 333Talk IF YOU DARE 22:47, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Here's some more ideas.

Discordians are a mind terrorist threat

Score: 2? terrorists

• Nom. Write it like Discordianism is a threat to the world, like they're mind terrorists or something. (Miley Spears)
• For especially if combined with Types of Discordians. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 17:11, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
• For despite not being mine... this will be an interesting write if selected. — The Rift (grumble) 349 MUN CPT DAD 18:44, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

*For as it is the only viable, workable one, in my opinion.

Unsigned votes don't count. :) DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 20:44, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

• For, this one seems the best idea. --Grumblegrump 20:53, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
• Against Nah, it seems an angry theme and isn't funny as most people who read it won't know what Discordians really do. The present page which we are booting has as a theme that Discordianism is Scientology, which was pretty stupid to start with. I get the same feeling with this theme. Aleister in Chains 00:16 25 3 mmx

• Comment I'm unlikely to be a major contributor here, however this idea has been the one that I find most interesting. I was actually trying to think of an article similar to this relating to The Game and Christianity. After all, Christianity believes that by knowing about Christianity and not following it you are condemned, once you know about Christianity you have to follow it, and The Game has been referred to as a sociological virus and religion has been referred to as the "opiate for the masses". This lionks this concept with the following one, and linking a Discordianism theology to something similar would not be that difficult, and making the parallels - after all, they are all memes. User:PuppyOnTheRadio/sigheil Wednesday, 21:08, Mar 24 2010 UTC

• Changed for to comment as I'm not likely to be the one working on it, so I'm happy to go with the flow. User:PuppyOnTheRadio/sigheil Wednesday, 22:54, Mar 24 2010 UTC

Discordians are like fundamentalist Christians

Score: 0 fundamentalists

• Nom. Write it like Discordians are fundamentalist Christians. (Miley Spears)

Types of Discordians: Princesses to Hate Ranters

Score: 3 or 4? types

• Nom and For. Write it to show different Discordian types, like Discordian American Princesses, Hippie Discordians, Hate Rant Discordians, Robert Anton Wilson fanboys, etc. DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 18:18, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
• For. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 17:11, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
• For this one too But most for the first one. This would be fine, as then each of us could write our own sections in our own styles as well as combine the group effort in various places. But I still like the Greyface theme, and would work it into anything else the group chooses. How about political Discordians, who get themselves elected to office on Eris related themes. And give us morethan a couple of weeks to write this, one a month seems fair. Hippie Astronaut Hate Ranting RAW Fanboy 23:50 24 3 mmx
• This is a better viable option |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Giratina CUN|IC Kill | 08:20, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Your vote was actually a little late, but your opinion is duly noted. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 00:47, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Discordianism Founding of Uncyclopedia

Score: 0 cabalers

• Nom. When reading some stuff about Discordianism, I saw refrences to many of their members that encourage cabal building. I dont know what context or meaning they meant, but how about we tie this so called parody religion in with something like The Discordianism Founding of Uncyclopedia invilving the cabal and several other religions? (Just a random idea....) — The Rift (grumble) 349 MUN CPT DAD 12:39, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Take a seventh option

The life of Discordia and her religion

Score: 0 lifers

• Nom. The only viable concept that we got here is by looking up the old version we are trying to rewrite. Why not we depict Dicordianism as a religion, talk about Eris, and then make up a drama about Eris? Make up a life story about Eris and Discordia, and talk about Discordia being a movie. Consensus anyone? |Si Plebius Dato' (Sir) Joe ang Giratina CUN|IC Kill | 09:50, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever format we choose, remember that we will need to give a basic explanation of what Discordianism is, or at least some twisted explanation. I agreed that this is likely to be a popular topic (especially as this site has a few Discordian Categories, and in recent months several of the featured articles here have been Discordian-related), but it's likely not as well known as Batman or Creationism.

Also if you Discordians could provide links to source material (Principia Discordia, etc.) that would be helpful. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 19:52, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

So far we have some fascinating ideas, but don't have a consensus. I'm adding headings in bold, numbers and a vote thing to the above. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 16:41, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

Decisions, Decisions

Hmm, if I ignore the against vote (do we have against votes? We don't on nomming articles; don't know if IC traditionally had them here or not), we have a three-way tie. Or if I count the against vote, and count the unsigned vote (which I see was done by Nameable), then again we have a three-way tie. Is there a way to make it a Discordian American Princess terrorist saves the world by using different Discordian groups? Ah, not that I can see. Let me think about this a bit. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 03:55, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

All right, I've thought about it.

A DAP saves humanity from the curse of Greyface: "How about a story about Eris, in the form of one of the Discordian American Princesses...going on a mission to remove the Curse of Greyface from the human race." Cool story, but would that better as a UnBook?

Discordians are a mind terrorist threat: "Write it like Discordianism is a threat to the world, like they're mind terrorists or something." My impression of Discordians is that they are a "threat" to the mind, that they love challenging people's perspective on reality.

SEE POST BELOW--THE TERRORIST THREAT IDEA HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

Types of Discordians: Princesses to Hate Ranters: "Write it to show different Discordian types, like Discordian American Princesses, Hippie Discordians, Hate Rant Discordians, Robert Anton Wilson fanboys, etc." This has the advantage of introducing the topic.

WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 04:39, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

OK, what?

Isn't DISCORDIANISM about disco accordions? Sorry but I'm ignant of the topic here.... be back to copy edit soon! *smile*  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  25 Mar 2010 ~ 00:53 (UTC)

For Disco accordians. Aleister in Chains 1:07 25 3 mmx

Could be about a Princess named Dian(a) who played an Accordion in a disco band and had a huge hit with a Wall album. (like Pink Floyd - The Wall)--Maniac1075 01:16, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Discordian is the opposite of accordian. It's like a musical instrument that people actually want to listen to, rather than being forced to at primary school music nights. User:PuppyOnTheRadio/sigheil Thursday, 04:26, Mar 25 2010 UTC

The terrorist threat idea has already been done

We don't need to write the terrorist threat idea--it's already been done. Starting at page 88 from Apocrypha Discordia:

Concerned Citizens for a Safe Internet

PRESS RELEASE

Discordianism: the Hidden Threat

In the Senate Anti-Terrorism Hearings in the wake of the Oklahoma bombing, a new menace has come to light. This menace is a shadowy, formless anarchoterrorist cult known as Discordianism. This cult contaminates the information superhighway and its tentacles reach everywhere.

Below are some facts about this organization, its methods and motives.

FACT: One of the founders of Discordianism was involved in the Kennedy assassination.

Discordianism was cofounded by Kerry Thornley. Thornley was a close friend of Lee Harvey Oswald and was involved in a covert Marxist group in the Marines. After the assassination of President Kennedy, District Attorney Jim Garrison uncovered evidence conclusively linking Thornley to the conspiracy.

FACT: Discordianism preaches drug use, terrorism and sexual depravity and the overthrow of all governments

The Discordian “Bible”, the Principia Discordia, contain incitement to plant marijuana and disobey laws and advocacy of pornography and blasphemy. Other materials are even more explicit and extreme. THESE MATERIALS ARE DISTRIBUTED WIDELY BY THE MEMBERS OF THIS CULT.

Discordians are prominent in drug advocate, anarchist, communist and militia movements. They will be found in any movement which opposes and hastens the destruction of society.

It is clear that the Discordians have no respect for the values of society which they seek to destroy. And if society does not see the threat and react to it swiftly they may succeed.

FACT: Discordians are entrenched on the Internet and use it to disseminate their propaganda

Discordianism is a cancer which has spread widely all over the Information Superhighway. There are Discordian Netscape pages advocating sexual perversion, anarchism and drug abuse. There are even newsgroups created and run by Discordian agents. The Net, which is decentralized and hard to police, is a perfect haven for these rats.

WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE

SUPPORT THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS REFORM ACT

The Telecommunications Reform Act, currently before the Senate, will make it a criminal offense to distribute obscene and indecent material, categories under which Discordian propaganda clearly falls. This would allow the perpetrators of these materials to be properly dealt with by the law. Write to your congressman indicating your support for the act.

PRESSURE ONLINE SERVICES TO SHUT DOWN KNOWN DISCORDIAN SITES.

There are Netscape pages all over the net run by Discordian cells, disseminating their poisonous propaganda to children. Some of these are at universities, some at commercial service providers. Letters and phone calls to the sites, describing the material and explaining why it is unacceptable would get it pulled. If the site refuses to comply, it may be sympathetic to or controlled by the Discordian group. If that is so, contact the site which provides it access and complain.

EDUCATE OTHERS ABOUT THE MENACE

Copy and spread this alert. Transmit it to others. Tell others about the menace and the very real threat of Discordianism. The more people know, the fewer will be seduced by their lies.

PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN

If your children have access to the net, monitor what they access. Do not allow them to access Discordian materials. If they have been contacted by agents of Discordianism, determine these agents’ identities and call the police.

ACT LOCAL

Keep your eyes open — the Discordians could be where you are! Look around you. If you notice Discordian activity, in your community, your workplace, your online service or elsewhere, keep an eye on it and alert others. Report any illegal activity to law enforcement authorities. Only you can stop this threat!

DISSEMINATE THIS ALERT WIDELY. SEND COPIES TO ALL CONCERNED CITIZENS. IT’S UP TO YOU! ACT NOW!

WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 04:44, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

DISCORDIANISM: YOUR GUIDE TO CHAOTICALLY SAVING THE WORLD

PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THIS SECTION. This is the guideline for writing this article. However, this is not cast in concrete as I'm not real sure of this yet. It may be difficult to keep the DAP adventure as an article without this becoming an UnBook. We'll try this for the next few days; if it doesn't seem to be working, we'll likely go with "Types of Discordians: Princesses to Hate Ranters" If you have ideas for tweaks or changes, feel free to post them in Comments on Guide below.

A Discordian American Princess goes on a mission to remove the Curse of Greyface from the human race. She plans to save the world or, to paraphrase a quote from the movie The Blues Brothers, "I'm on a mission from Goddess." Perhaps she talks to one or more non-Discordian who is/are convinced that Discordians are all mind terrorists (or maybe one of the Discordians groups claims they are mind terrorists). Along the way she encounters different Discordian groups, and encourages them to join her. She perhaps talks to Orthodox Discordians, Surreal Discordians, Hate Rant Discordians, Fanboy Conspiracy Discordians, Hippie Discordians. (See suggestion for Discordian types HERE). By reading her interactions with them, the reader gets an idea of what these different groups are, and of what Discordianism is. During her quest, none of the humans under the Curse can understand or accept her mission. "Then, when the curse is lifted, yay, they all instantly 'get it', happily do away with all wars and such unfun things, and live happily ever after, the end." Or do they? Perhaps this would end better with an ironic twist.

See and add links to possible images for this article at Uncyclopedia:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism/Images.

The IC Buccaneer sometimes updates this, so keep checking back

WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:13, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sources

I took many of these straight from the Discordianism article as it exists now. Any colonizer can free to add to this. Also someone identifying which of these they feel are most useful would be, well, useful. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:17, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Particularly useful links

Please put ones here that would be especially useful. Let's keep this to a bare minimum so we don't overwhelm ourselves.

• Wikipedia on Discordianism. This has a lot of background, including the Curse of Greyface.

• Uncyclopedia's list of DAPs and what they are. A bit more is at Urban Dictionary.

Further reading

• The Bible
• The Church of the Ironic Cheesecake.Inc
• Eris Discordia
• Jonesboria Discordia
• Reverend Loveshade
• Fnord

External links

• The Discordian Society
• The Discordianism Forum
• Discordian Quotes
• The Honest Book of Truth, Discordian-Inspired Ranting
• The 23 Apples of Eris Dating Service and Hotdog Grillery
• Robert Anton Wilson, his website and spidey hole
• Illuminatus Inner Sanctum
• Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia: The Tales of Shamlicht ("Dead Puppy Sex")
• Jonesboro's House of Eris' Science and Fnord Committee (Publishers of the stupid book Jonesboria Discordia
• A cunning Discordian Cult Centre disguised as a welcoming site
• Black Iron Prison A modern-ish addendum to the original Principia
• Memebomb database

Comments on Guide

Post your comments on DISCORDIANISM: YOUR GUIDE TO CHAOTICALLY SAVING THE WORLD here. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:18, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

So we're going with the first option on this? ~ Sir Paizuri / Talk / Contribs / Crap / 05:46, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Plus a little from column 2 and column 4 if I'm reading it right. User:PuppyOnTheRadio/sigheil Thursday, 05:52, Mar 25 2010 UTC

Yeah, as we had something like a three-way tie, I tried more-or-less putting them together. The terrorist idea should probably be minimal as I found the piece above on the topic that was, in my opinion, well-written. Perhaps we could use it in a link--the source says it's kopyleft. In my opinion, the DAP on a mission wouldn't work unless we explain Discordianism, and telling about the different groups seems a good way to do that. As I posted, this isn't set in concrete.

At the request of colonizers, our base writing time is longer than it was for the previous two articles, and could be extended for another week. Thus 1/2 week (concept) + 2 1/2 weeks writing = 3 weeks and, with the optional extension of 1 week, could total four weeks. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 06:14, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Does Miley get to pick the Princess who works through the page? I think she should, as she is our link and guide to the DAP world. And the concept is so large and interesting it will take a month to wrap my head around it. An UnNovel could actually be done from this. Al en'chain 10:37 25 3 mmx

Here's my ideas for the princess. She should be somebody really famous or someone who's not. I know Miley Cyrus, Brooke Shields, Jamie Lynn Spears and Britney Spears best. We wouldn't have to use their full name maybe just Miley or Brooke or Jamie or Britney.

But what about one that's not as known like Minnie Rae? She knew Emperor Norton who's a Discordian saint who claimed to be President of America and protector of Mexico. She went to England and met James Barrie and pretended to be his wife. He later wrote Peter Pan and Wendy and Wendy is based on her. But she was also a young prostitute and is a Discordian saint. Here's the top link for her on google and here's the second.

Also I think she could meet some of the famous Discordians like Malaclypse the Younger, Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst, Robert Anton Wilson, Reverend Loveshade, Hakim Bey, Professor Cramulus, Professor Mu-Chao, St. Mae and more. DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 16:34, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I'd rather we do names that are take-offs, either completely made up characters, or ones inspired by the real people with names that sound similar but not the same. Although with the founders like Malaclypse, Omar and Wilson, perhaps real names. And Minnie Rae seems to be working so far, although I'm still not certain about doing this as a story instead of describing each group--opinions, colonizers?WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:20, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Discordian types

Ok I started it! I like Minnie Rae but of course ppl can change it. Now maybe each person can start a section? Like she meets a person from each group; we could probably make up names. Maybe none of the groups help her because they're all doing their own thing. Here are some types:

• Orthodox Discordians (Rev. Dr. Hexar le Saipe called it). Malaclypse the Younger is like Moses, and Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst like Joseph Smith, and Robert Anton Wilson like Father Abraham or Abraham Lincoln. If it's not original text, it's nothing. They're to Discordianism what fundamentalism is to Christianity. They're the Really Real DiscordiansTM and you're not. Sacred book is Principia Discordia.

• Surreal Discordians (Professor Mu-Chao called it) or Rutabega Discordians (St. Mae called them). They take the Discordian "Nonsense as Salvation" idea totally, but ignore everything else in Principia Discordia. If it makes no sense, it's Discordian; if it does, it isn't. Putting up nonsense posters is a holy act. Sacred books are Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Principia Discordia.

• Hate Rant Discordians. They say everything is terrible, everybody's imprisoned in their own mind, everybody is stupid but them. They say anyone who says they're a "really real Discordian" is an idiot, but if you don't agree with them you aren't a real Discordian and they'll tear you to shreds. Sacred book is The Black Iron Prison and not Principia Discordia.

• Fanboy Discordians or Conspiracy Discordians. Robert Anton Wilson is like Father Abraham, and the Illuminati work to control everything, Fnord. Anything RAW wrote is gospel, and the conspiracy is everywhere. Trust no one except your closest friends--and watch them carefully. RAW said so--and if you claim he was writing fiction, you're part of the conspiracy. Sacred book is The Illuminatus! Trilogy and anything else Wilson wrote.

• Hippie Discordians. This is where the original Discordian American Princesses came from. These Discordians started the hand Peace Sign that became big with 1960s hippies and modern day DAPs like Miley Ray Cyrus. They're into peace and love and freedom and pot and sex. If it harms no one, do as you will. Sacred books are Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia: The Tales of Shamlicht and Principia Discordia.

DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 20:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the descriptions! A couple people said they might like to work on individual sections, and that is an option stated for the writing of the article. I just suggest that editors remember 1) any colonizer may rewrite whatever they wrote; and 2) keep in mind that if each of this sections is fairly long, the article will be really long. I'd keep them relatively short. Then we can have a concluding section at the end. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 23:03, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I added headings for each of these sections. The titles of each section can certainly be changed--I made them generic for easy identification. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:26, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the work that's been done so far! You're a creative bunch. I'll be coming along later and doing more edits, but for now it's playtime with the article. I do want to make a reminder, however, that the sections should be kept relatively short or the whole article will be very long. If a section you wrote is one of the longest, you or another editor might want to work on editing and shortening it. Thanks again! WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:09, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Where should the so-called pinealists be added? Even some of the surreal Discordians are annoyed by them. --Striker2117 02:23, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

What are the pinealists? WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:52, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Pinealist is a derogatory term used for a Discordian who does nothing but babble extreme nonsense. These guys even make the Surrealist Discordians look down-to-earth at times (although depending on who is doing the classifying, they may already be lumped together with the Surrealists). ie. A Surrealist might tell something that is a bit nonsensical in semantics or logic, but still is coherent enough to be understood. People who get called pinealists seem to just string words together that cannot be comprehended("Fish glib the aforementioned ran and fishstork teh minefield" or http://shii.org/knows/Penguin_of_Doom )--Striker2117 22:24, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, but I went there and got the message "This page does not exist." Hopefully I fixed the link. Also I saw Shii comments on Discordianism and conflicts between himself and Reverend Loveshade and different types of Discordians at http://shii.org/knows/Discordianism . It may be a little late to incorporate much from that, but I'll add it to our links. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 22:56, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Discordja

I'm confused by the IC talk page for the current project. It looks like voting for a concept is over, but who won? Also, I must complain loudly about copying an anecdote straight from the Principia Discordia and putting it in the article. We should try to deliver something a little more original. --Pleb SYNDROME _{CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!)} 16:59, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

I copied this here from my talk page. I'd like to have all discussions on the article here so we can all participate. Also welcome Syndrome! WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 18:38, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hopefully, we all won. This is the guideline for the article, although as of this moment it's not set in concert. We've decided on a clear direction for the previous two articles by consensus, not vote. But as we hadn't reached a consensus on this one, I made an eleventh hour decision to have a vote. I didn't have time to plan that all out, so hadn't specified if against votes are counted, if unsigned votes count (they don't simply because voting is limited to IC members, but it was an IC member who voted), etc.

As for the anecdote from the PD, if you want to try doing something different, go for it. This is a group effort, so we're expected to try different things along the way--later we can decide which we think works best. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 18:49, March 26, 2010 (UTC)

Basically, {{sofixit}}? --Pleb SYNDROME _{CUN medicate (butt poop!!!!)} 02:29, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yep. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 18:03, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Orthodox Discordians

this was cut and pasted here from Uncyclopedia:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 21:29, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

MINE! (Though I am willing to share, cause im a nice guy like that) --DougalthePanda 10:36, March 30, 2010 (UTC) +

ok not mine anymore, realised i wont be near a computer for at least a week... --DougalthePanda 21:19, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Conspiracy Fanboy Discordians

this was cut and pasted here from Uncyclopedia:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:53, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

(I call dibs, dibs on this section, and if I fail in my task for two days or so, then ignore my dibs. FYI, dibs means "Discordians Intriqued By Saucers" Thanks, Aleister in Chains 3:26 30 3 mmx) will be back.

A note that you really might want to consider using the phrase from the roleplaying game Paranoia: "Stay alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy!" (Also when you start writing the section, you might want to move this discussion to the talk page). WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 03:13, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

You know I never did get past that big laser to make it to level Yellow. Now I understand why Paranoia disaproved of social groups: "If organized religion is the opium of the masses, then disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe."  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  02 Apr 2010 ~ 04:51 (UTC)

That quote sounds familiar. Isn't that from the Bible? WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:53, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the Discoridan bible.  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  06 Apr 2010 ~ 06:54 (UTC)

Randumbo

It's starting to go a little down that track. Any possibility of tightening up the narrative? Cull some of the less interesting stuff?                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Thursday, 00:44, Apr 8 2010 UTC

Yes. Go for it. There's some great stuff there, but projects need editing. And unless we extend the project for a week (which may happen), we have three days to finish before going for a Pee Review. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 04:01, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

Really I just read it again and I don't feel very much of it is funny. We need more humor! And that's not just about other ppl the stuff I wrote isn't funny. Also the Hate Rant Discordians doesn't have much to do with them. I don't see them saying "ALL PRAISE TO HOFFMAN AND RUBIN!!" because they tend to say old stuff is hippie stuff we need new stuff. Maybe we could write a fictional HRD like Reverend Roadkill who says "We hate the hippies and DAPs and the Really Really Discordians. There's no such thing as a Really Really Discordian. Nobody can tell a Discordian what to believe. And if you other Discordians don't agree with our point of view we'll kill you!" Then the other HRD could say, "Awesome!" "Mittens!" "Two Mittens! No ten minutes no infinite mittens!" DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 22:41, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, for an extension. There is very little funny here, and right now it's a Fail, so more time is needed. I only wrote the hate rant stuff because I have a hard time imagining hate rant discordians, so I tried to make them real discordians who hate-love everybody equally and at different times of day. The summary plan has the section on conspiracies as Robert Anton Wilson fans, which is also a hate approach to what is really a group of people who see conspiracies in everything because they KNOW that you can take any set of circumstances and create order out of the chaos, so the fact of order itself is seen as a brain transformation and not as real. So there are really no "consipracy" discordians per se. So for me to hate up the article is something I won't do, and this is out of bias I guess. All for now. Al sans chains 23:14 12 4 mmx

Ok well I made up the HRD so I'll explain them. There's a couple websites www.poee.co.uk and principiadiscordia.com where most of the HRDs are. They have a lot of rants about things they don't like and how stupid people are. If u sign up for them especially pd.com then they totally insult you just to get your reaction. Some ppl there are really nice but a lot do that to see what u do. But if they like u then they're totally supportive which they say by "mittens" thats like thumbs up. If they don't like u they'll insult you and threaten u anything to get u to go away. But a lot of them think Principia Discordia is old hippie stuff. The Black Iron Prison is a real book u can find it online.

Also we should have something about Intermittens thats the Discordian magazine at intermittens.org. DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 18:39, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

I tried using as much of what u did but still make it fit the HRD. I hope that's Ok! :) DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 19:25, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I've never looked at the chat websites, and will check them out. But they sound pretty messed up if described. The "old hippie" stuff is actually the kick-off of the discordian history, and guys like Hoffman and Rubin just played with society for the purpose of changing it both through street performance absurdity and through other forms of comic societal statements. True discordians. The Bob Wilson references on the page seem odd to me, as anyone who really knows his, Shea's, Leary's etc. work know that he never really believed in conspiracies per se, as large conspiracies would fail of their own weight (maybe as large collabs sometimes do), but showed how our minds are capable of forming patterns around anything (Wilson had a great line, paraphrasing, "If you can't find an image of the Virgin Mary within a 10 foot radius around you at any given time you're not using your brain correctly") with the trick being the recognition of that and the use of it for fun and wonderment. I'm a Wilson fanboy on one level, and so would have to go well outside my bias and knowledge base to satirize him in the negative, which, of course, I should do, and will do just that and add to that section. We do have time, right? Really, this does need another week or so to polish and work in some funny. And I promise to give it a try sometime in the next couple/few days (have get some sick since getting back from my Vegas trip, and have been lying around for the past few days, which is why I'm on-line so much in that time.) A long note here, thanks. Al sans chains 19:45 13 4 mmx

People take The Da Vinci Code seriously too. I remember the nonsense lyrics of the Beatle's "I Am The Walrus" were written specifically because the band learned school kids were being assigned to analyze Beatle's lyrics, so they wrote lyrics that were utter nonsense. But people have analyzed those too (we had a fine article here about that). If you do want to bring out another side of Wilson, perhaps just a line by Minnie Rae saying "But that's just fiction" could do it.

I see you already added another side of Wilson, so all right. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:36, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

I will work on changing the ending a bit, as I don't think we want one Discordian group to be the "right group," and the article almost seems to imply that right now.

All in all, I think you colonizers are doing a great job with the article. I do agree that it could use more humor. And remember that even though the "final" deadline is April 17, that's really the deadline before Pee Review. There'll be time to work on it after that before it's copied to mainspace (assuming my successor continues to do it that way). WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:10, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Pics

Just a reminder to feel free to add to and collect from Uncyclopedia:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism/Images. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:55, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

A bunch of images have been added. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:35, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

IMPERIAL COLONIZATION TALK BEGINS HERE

This is copied from Uncyclopedia talk:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism. See that page and Uncyclopedia:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism for the history of the colonization.  IC Buccaneer Admiral WHY??? (stratagems)  22:45, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Discordian synchronicity

I didn't plan this at all. But I'd been working on the article on Discordianism, which has two holy numbers of 5 and 23. After literally hours, I finally made my last edit. I glanced through the article and what did I see had come up with the time stamp that tell you when you accessed the page?

"BECAUSE I JUST MOVED YOU FORWARD IN TIME TO 05:23, April 17 2010 (UTC)."

I checked, and I did indeed make my last edit to the article at 5:23. http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/index.php?title=Uncyclopedia:Imperial_Colonization/Discordianism&oldid=4507327 WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:34, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Make your final edits please

In about 23 hours, maybe a little more and maybe less, this article will be moved out of the current colonization and put up for Pee Review. Please make your final edits before Pee Review. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:37, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

Pee Review

Uncyclopedia:Pee Review/Uncyclopedia:Imperial Colonization/Discordianism Thanks ChiefjusticeDS! WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 22:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

IMPERIAL COLONIZATION TALK ENDS HERE

Continue with new discussions below. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 22:45, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

An idea for what to do with the article on December 22, 2012

Just update it to the next new fear, probably the asteroid that's coming near the Earth in 2029. Society will let us know what "they" have made the next new fear, and I'll take even money on either the asteroid or Supervolcanoes. In any case, the article will need an update on 00:00 22 12 MMXII Aleister sans chains 2:35 27 4 MMX

I thought of the update issue and agree with you. Fortunately, there's 2 1/2 years to come up with something, but it's good to have that in this discussion. Also I'm not here posting this right now because I'm on vacation. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 03:53, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

5 and 23

Just for information, one real explanation behind the numbers 5 and 23 is thusly: 5 was just picked by Discordians, Wilson, etc., because it was handy. But the point was that in any random series of events you can find a connection to five (or three, or nine) and explain everything with it. Conspiracies, etc. Wilson says if you can't find the image of the Virgin Mary within 10 feet of you then you're not using you brain right. 23, ah, the magic number. It "means" that any two people make up a third, a relationship that only the two people know, sense, communicate, nuance, or exist within. Nobody outside of those two people knows what that "third person" is that they create together. 23, every 2 people create a 3rd. Aleister des chain 19:25 28 4 mmx

Really you're right in some sense but there's more to it than that. I'll post something about it on the Discordianism talk page so this doesn't get too long. :) DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 21:34, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

This is from Wikipedia:

"Robert Anton Wilson cites William S. Burroughs as being the first person to believe in the 23 enigma. Wilson, in an article in Fortean Times, related the following story:

"I first heard of the 23 enigma from William S Burroughs, author of Naked Lunch, Nova Express, etc. According to Burroughs, he had known a certain Captain Clark, around 1960 in Tangier, who once bragged that he had been sailing 23 years without an accident. That very day, Clark’s ship had an accident that killed him and everybody else aboard. Furthermore, while Burroughs was thinking about this crude example of the irony of the gods that evening, a bulletin on the radio announced the crash of an airliner in Florida, USA. The pilot was another captain Clark and the flight was Flight 23."

Also the Ek-sen-triks CluborGuild came up with a twenty three hand sign before they even knew about Discordia. Reverend Loveshade's group came from them. It's index and ring fingers folded (two), and pinky, middle finger and thumb out (three). Of course two plus three is five. DAP Dame Pleb Com. Miley Spears (talk) 21:48, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, Burroughs. But I did read the 2 people always equal a third explanation somewhere in Wilson's writings, I believe. It's an old magick explanation too. Have run across it several times, and Wilson (or Leary, or one or more of the gang) have that explanation for its magical importance, and it seemed to make logical sense as soon as I read it. I just voted for the page, and I was the 5th For vote! It must mean something, yes? Aleisnter in Chains 22:01 28 4

Setting this next section apart because it is a very interesting

VFH outcome

This page was Uncyclopedia:VFH/Discordianism nominated for VFH on the 28th (23 + 5) and was removed in the 5th month with a health of 23% after 23 votes were posted. There is no cabal.                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Sunday, 04:22, May 9 2010 UTC

Verrrrryyyyy interesting, said the Mad Hatter to the catepillar. What time was it removed, I fear to ask? Aleister sans chains 4:29 9 5 MMX

Mordillo removed the tags from the page at 21:10. 21:10 consists of 5 characters, and 2+1*2(for the two parts of the colon)-1-0=5. And "Mordillo" has 8 letters which is 2^3. It seems we really have a worldwide conspiracy on our hands here! (If we all looked like her, there'd be a Law of Sixes.) --Sirrah CatshirE Chess the Striker2117 06:04, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Willing to bet a can of drano that if you round out the time that Mordillo removed it (listed at 21:10) it would have been after the 30 second mark, so it very well could have been nearer to 21:11 (2 and 3) than it was to 21:10. Betcha. Aleister in Chains 23:23 10 5 MMX

(sneaking this in here, and I just noticed that my comment above was from the time 23:23, this actually was the correct time) And 21:10, the time it was officially removed, can also be written as 9:10 p.m. 9 is 3x3, 10 is 2x2. And user:Aleister in Chains has 23 letters, by the way, heh heh. Aleister UnChains 16:00 11 5 MMX

Mordillo is probably with a bunch of Sub-Geni plotting against us. The only way to stop them, I'm thinking, is by taking this and changing it into something like "Consult your pineal gland" and spreading it far and wide. By the way, the pineal gland controls Circadian Rhythms and release melatonin and "melatonin" has 9 letters in it which is 3^2 and 3+2 is 5. I'm beginning to think that Greg Hill was in on the Illuminati conspiracy the whole time...--Sirrah CatshirE Chess the Striker2117 23:50, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

In the next day I'll post a note on no voters talk pages asking them for suggestions for improvement. I don't know why, but I really see this getting featured in the future. As opposed to it getting featured in the past. Note I'll probably post this on May (5th month) 10 (2 x 5) 2010 (402 x 5). WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:46, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

The previous post was done at 5:46 (46 = 23 * 2)                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Sunday, 21:51, May 9 2010 UTC

Setting the above section apart, as mentioned above

DISCUSHUNNN

My main problem with this article is that I found it random and hard to follow. I don't know if that's intended or not, but it actually kinda annoyed me to read this. —Pelozurian (talk) 23:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

That Pel - that's exactly the kind of feedback we need.                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Monday, 23:26, May 10 2010 UTC

What? I'm just opening it up for other people to discuss! I'm the good guy here! —Pelozurian (talk) 23:27, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I was being genuine when I said thanks. I tend to agree with you on that aspect, and felt that it was a harder article to access then it should have been - but I've already mentioned my thoughts on this on another page.                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Monday, 23:29, May 10 2010 UTC

Oh, okay. Hehe. —Pelozurian (talk) 23:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Not enough funny, too cute by half, and some editors knew its failings and yet avoided taking more responsibility for the writing. Al des chains 00:10 11 5 MMX

Yeah, when I step back and look at it I realize that while a person who has dabbled about in Discordianism would probably get it (even the names are easy to me Cramalot = Cramulous, Reverend Roadkill is The Good Reverend Roger, etc.), an outsider wouldn't understand it so much. This either means that A) We have to force the Principia Discordia onto everyone's reading list, which would result in me getting verbally abused for making people read it and popularizing a book that has tried to remain pseudo-underground; or B) Rewrite the article so that no knowledge of the Discordian doings is needed. I'm pretty sure option B is what'll happen. Or option C.--Sirrah CatshirE Chess the Striker2117 00:31, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Or, D) None of the above. —Pelozurian (talk) 00:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Some of the above. None of the below. Aleister des chain 00:42 11 5 mmx

e) Given that one particular editor has taken responsibility for this article not going well, that editor can fix this and all other IC works that have not been featured by themselves.                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Tuesday, 00:50, May 11 2010 UTC

Oh, and I thought it was all my fault. Actually, we need to keep in mind this did get 13 for votes. Let's not get too crazy with the edits or we'll turn off our fors. I think making little tweaks here and there based on people's suggestions has a much better chance of working that a complete rewrite. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 01:08, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

An idea! Wny don't we ask Maniac to go through it to make it understanable and funny to him. That fucker may just masterpiece it! Al des chains 1:14 11 5 mmx

Tell you what - you keep working on Sci Fi and I'll spend some time looking at this over the next 48 hours from the perspective of someone who doesn't understand discordianism beyond what I've found out from this article and who also found it difficult to access but found it funny. I'll minor rewrite it to try and make it easier for a Discordianian n00b to understand and access the humour. This means I may kill some of the "accuracy" of the article in favour of increasing the funny, which is why I stood back prior to now, but I'll try and keep it as true to that as possible. Also, are we able to get feedback from those who voted For. as to what they felt was the highlights of the article?                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Tuesday, 01:22, May 11 2010 UTC

Yay, a puppy edit sweep! Sounds great to me. Back to Maniac, I just looked at the Michael Jackson page he's working on on one of his user pages, and damn. Al des chains 1:28 11 5 mmx

Personally, I think if the changes we make aren't too major, we aren't likely to lose the fors. I've rarely seen someone vote for an article and then after edits vote against. I think it's more likely to happen in reverse. In fact I remember an article that was on VFH a long time, at one point had the lowest score, and barely made it to feature after being up there for weeks. Then it was voted one of the top articles of the month--because it grew on people over time.

Also I'd say go for it Puppy. I think that's a great idea. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 01:29, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm for the Puppy-sweep idea. If he can get it to a point where people who've never heard of it before or just know what they find on Wikipedia can understand it and laugh; then it should do well.--Sirrah CatshirE Chess the Striker2117 01:35, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry all - real life and all that. I'm coming back to it shortly.                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Friday, 05:43, May 14 2010 UTC

Well hey, it's no hurry. I'll probably look over your edits after you do them and tell you that you did everything wrong. I think as your assistant that's my job, right? WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:48, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

I personally feel that after reading the Wikipedia article on Discorianism the article is very well written and funny. I think my vote against was unfair. The vote against was for the unencyclopedic language the article uses. I would recommend making the language colder and attempting to lose the first-person perspective. That said; I think this is already a very good piece of work. mAttlobster. (hello) 00:45, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. We'll toss all the suggestions in the word processor, mix thoroughly, and see what spews out. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 16:53, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't sound at all sanitary. PortuguseOttersTryRadios 16:57, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

What Chief thinks

Since you asked me so nicely for my views on the article I am here to share them with everyone. As Why? Mentioned on my talk page, you did well in fixing the problems I mentioned in my review and the article would have scored highly having done so, but for me that isn't a guarantee of a for vote. The reason in the case of this article was that I felt the article didn't have the appeal necessary for a feature, even when it is made more accessible the article still requires the reader to invest a fair amount of time understanding. Look at it this way, my view of a good featured article candidate is an article that is enjoyable for the majority of people to simply pick up and read, your article is enjoyable and is by no means bad, but to an outsider the subject matter doesn't really lend itself to a great many laughs and, in a lot of places, just comes off as weird, and weird just doesn't push my humour buttons and, in my view, doesn't belong on the front page.

The high scoring review was a recognition of the fact you had done well in making your article work, it looks nice, the humour is well constructed and the jokes are enjoyable once you pick them up, but an article can have all these components and still lack a certain something, in this case the article lacked an overall cohesiveness for me, there were excellent jokes in places that made me laugh, but the article didn't seem to be going places, I didn't care about the characters in it nor was I given a real reason to care about them, so my interest did wane somewhat towards the end. I hope I'm not trampling all over someone's much loved creation here as the article isn't awful, 13 for votes should demonstrate that, it's just for me this article still isn't doing enough. I hope this is helpful and is what Why? was after. --Chiefjustice3DS 08:14, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

So given all that, do you feel there is a possibility that this could become accessible to a larger audience, or are we as far as we can go?                                • Puppy's talk page • 00:40, June 5, 2009 Tuesday, 08:28, May 11 2010 UTC

I'd say that it would take a lot of thought to come up with a good way to do it without losing the direction the article is currently using. I would encourage you to experiment with it if you think it should be done. --Chiefjustice3DS 09:02, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Chiefster! WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:15, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

It really needed a decent opening paragraph, scene setter to at least bring a reader into the article. Like what Discordianism isn't or that the classic 'discord' was the Greek Goddess Eris who came to a party with a golden apple and caused a stink. --RomArtus*Imperator ® (Orate) 16:55, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:30, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

If you don't mind me butting in, even though I voted for.

I laughed like twice, which was why I voted. I figured that I've voted for articles that are even worse, you know? But for me, the first half of the article was no laughs at all, right until "Othordox Discordians". It was all errr... not only was it namedroppy it was "Discordian terminology droppy"... and very alienating, and frankly did not contribute to my understanding of the second half of the article at all. If I were to review this I'd say lose all the jargon and the useless details, unless it pertains to the image of the Discordian that you're trying to satirise. For instance, even though you mention many aspects of Discordianism with a twist of phrase and/or a pop culture reference (Peter Pan, Miley Cyrus, prostitution jokes etc etc.) I fail to see how they are funny, but they are sophisticated enough for me to forgive them. The second half of the article was what won me over because I liked how Discordians are portrayed/satirised in there. I also have a bunch of things to say about the first person style but I'll stop myself. Which reminds me, I must miss pee reviewing. Damn my finals!! ~ 14:23, May 17, 2010

Thanks for your comments. There seems to be some evidence backing up the pop culture references, but perhaps it can be made funnier. Good luck with finals. Also I'll go pee for you. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 01:52, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

"I fail to see how they are funny, but they are sophisticated enough for me to forgive them." -- ditto.  ~ Avast Matey!!! Happytimes are here!*  (talk) (stalk) Π   ~  ~  20 May 2010 ~ 00:31 (UTC)

Who is Minnie Rae?

I've noted the comments that the introduction covered more ground than it needed to, and appreciate the effort to get to the meat of the article quicker. But we need something to get an early idea who our main character is, or the references to Minnie Rae don't make sense.

Also I think a lot of the edits need serious editing--I think some parts that were replaced were funnier. I don't care for any of the new photo captions--except for the one about the knickers on the skull. That I like. And I really think the orginal idea of bringing Minnie Rae into the present from the past works better. For one thing, she did live in the 1800s and making her a 21st century girl seems random, like saying Abraham Lincoln was born in 2010. For another thing, the photo of her definitely looks mid to late 1800s. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 18:09, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, who is Minnie Rae? It would be a whole lot easier to just change her name. Why do we need a teen author from the 1800s saving the world and visiting Discordians. Pick any name. Maybe even make it Miley Cyrus--have Eris visit Miley Cyrus, who people would actually know and care about, and make her the heroine. That seems much better, and I will go do that later, or our Miley can flesh it in. The other way is just too much outside the storyline and confuses the issue having to explain and bring in a minor character from the 1800s. Our Miley gave us a great spine for the story to hang from, she did the heavy lifting and I just went in and parred away the baby fat. And then we can put a photo of the real Miley as the first photo. Al des chains 19:23 29 5 MMX

As I recall, it was your advice to let Miley Spears decide, and Miley picked Minnie Rae. I thought that was a wise choice, because Minnie Rae is not a current pop star about whom a zillion jokes have already been done. And as I also recall, PuppyOnTheRadio, who is head of IC until the end of this month, was going to be editing the article based on the suggestions given by people who said they might accept this as a feature article if.... As much as I think you can be very funny, you tend to go off on your own direction with some of us left wondering what happened to our article? I'd suggest you check the road map (the suggestions), get together with Puppy, and then go to work. Not to brag (OK, I'm lying because I am going to brag), but think about the articles that were featured AFTER you and others followed my suggestions.... WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 05:36, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Your recall is correct, yet as the leader of the expedition it could have become evident to you early on that having to set-up the character of Minnie Rae, and spend most of the large lead-in explaining who she is and how her time-traveling and Goddess-transporting presence in 2010 is relevant to the page in any way, dazed and distracted the reader who had yet to began the necessary journey along several more twists before fully comprehending what the story itself was about. Your bragging rights are many, but they do not at present include this page, and may it be that your protective feeling towards a "family" relationship blinded and still blinds you, as the pages leader, to the article's soft points on its otherwise strong framework. Aleister des chains 12:32 30 5 MMX

You may recall I expressed doubts very early on about combining the DAP idea with that of describing the different groups. But as several people jumped in to write that idea and it seemed to be working I went with it. In retrospect, I still think it worked, and I'm not the only one--it got 13 votes to be featured, which is much better than Batman did on its first try on VFH. But I do believe it can be improved. As for my so-called protective feelings, I'll consider that, but right now I doubt it. If you recall I supported significant rewriting of Batman/Bruce Wayne even though I personally wrote much of what got thrown out. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 13:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Reverted my edits except for the caption Why? liked. Now the two "versions" can be compared if you'd like. Although I still believe my version is much better (it kept the strong spine, trimmed the fat, and left room for Puppy and others to add funny), it's picking up significant counter-effort from Why?, so reverted. Al des chains 14:44 30 5 mmx

I can be a real Pain In The Ass, can't I? Did you know one of my best friends actually nicknamed me PITA (Pain In The Ass)? Wait that wasn't one of my best friends that was my ex-wife. I wonder why she left. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 00:57, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

All you need is some proper sex education and you can go calling on your ex-wife (and her poor painful ass) again, this time with some very different results. Al des chains 1:05 31 5 MMX

Wait, this doesn't have anything to do with that weird, freako, creepy stuff call lubrication, does it? Man, if it doesn't come out of somebody's body, I ain't puttin' it on my privates. WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio}

Yummy, body lube. Seriously though, I must log off. Lube frees the soul! Al des chains 1:14 31 5 MMX

I Will Pee on You a Second Time

PuppyOnTheToilet I mean PuppyOnTheRadio gave this article its second golden shower so please check that out before editing. Uncyclopedia:Pee Review/Discordianism (2). WHY???^{PuppyOnTheRadio} 02:12, March 20, 2012 (UTC)